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[Siquo]

Nie Wieder.

You have no idea what it means either, do you?

Tip: it's not about artistic freedom, or the right to insult.

[Renault]

So is anyone ever going to explain what Nie Wieder means, or is this conversation closed to the unenlightened?

[DJ]

Never again.

[Siquo]

In the context of the genocide of the jews in 40-45.

I stretch the meaning to not just include jews but any group of people. Wilders is proposing sanctions against a group of people, based on both religion and ethnicity. I thought we all agreed 65 years ago that we wouldn't ever do that again.

[Siquo]

What is it with the dutch and racism?

I hope the irony there is obvious 

I don't know about that. The dutch are always so full of their open-mindedness, but if you look under the surface, they score worst on emancipation and human rights for political refugees of pretty much all western countries and pretty damn bad on racial relations within the country too.

The point is that it's not all dutch. To show the irony, the above is equivalent to "what is it with those blacks and racism?".

I'm dutch, I think I remember that you are, and we both know not ALL dutch are like that.

[Virex]

What is it with the dutch and racism?

I hope the irony there is obvious 

I don't know about that. The dutch are always so full of their open-mindedness, but if you look under the surface, they score worst on emancipation and human rights for political refugees of pretty much all western countries and pretty damn bad on racial relations within the country too.

The point is that it's not all dutch. To show the irony, the above is equivalent to "what is it with those blacks and racism?".

I'm dutch, I think I remember that you are, and we both know not ALL dutch are like that.

Well, most people I know at least make an effort to hide it, I'll give you that, but I know very few people who are true non-racist. Hell, I know that I'm racist at times and I make every effort I can to avoid it. And don't get me started on emancipation.

[Forumsdwarf]

In the context of the genocide of the jews in 40-45.

I stretch the meaning to not just include jews but any group of people.

Except artists targeted for death by fanatical Muslims, apparently.  And you claim I don't know what it means?  I seem to be the only one who knows what it means.

"First they came for Salman Rushdie, and I did nothing ..."

[Siquo]

Except artists targeted for death by fanatical Muslims, apparently.  And you claim I don't know what it means?  I seem to be the only one who knows what it means.

"First they came for Salman Rushdie, and I did nothing ..."

This and other posts of you have put you on my ignore list. Bye.

[Virex]

In the context of the genocide of the jews in 40-45.

I stretch the meaning to not just include jews but any group of people.

Except artists targeted for death by fanatical Muslims, apparently.  And you claim I don't know what it means?  I seem to be the only one who knows what it means.

"First they came for Salman Rushdie, and I did nothing ..."

Fighting terrorism with state oppression doesn't seem like a good idea. Wouldn't it be easier and better to beef up the justice system and handle it the normal way?

[PTTG??]

Yeah, fighting extremist authoritarian terrorists by becoming an authoritarian state seems self-defeating to me.

[nenjin]

Hey, it worked for America 

[PTTG??]

Hey, it worked for America 

The Brazilians where in on this? Or was it the Canadians?

[Zifnab]

In the context of the genocide of the jews in 40-45.

I stretch the meaning to not just include jews but any group of people.

Except artists targeted for death by fanatical Muslims, apparently.

I'm going to have to agree with Forumsdwarf on this one.  Wilders has never stated support for the genocide of Islamic people.  Wheras time and time again Islamic extremist have said they will kill anyone who insults their religion.

Sanctions against a people, especially when some of those people are in essence at war with not just your country, but everyone in the western world who does not share their beliefs and you cannot easily distiguish the fighters from the civilians, is not akin to the Holocaust.  This situation is far more similar to the internment camps of the US during WWII.  Mind you, many political scholars will say that these were not handled properly.  Authorization for internment during invasion is legal, but approval has to come from Congress, not the President.  Internment should have only applied to foreign born nationals and first generation citizens or others where the government had proof they were a threat.

I'm not sure how Dutch law reads, but if in the United States the law were ever changed to permit the country to be at war with "Islamic extremists" instead of just recognised nations, internment or deportation of all immigrants and first generation citizens from nations with a large number of Islamic extremists would be legal.  The government would have to compensate them for any lost property, unless it was proven that they were acting as enemy agents.

This would not be a nice or compassionate thing to do.  It is a cruel tool, even when it is necessary to protect a nation.  I hope the world never needs to see the kinds of hardships that a tool like this can cause.  But I could see it happening, especially if an Islamic extremist group were to get their hands on a few nuclear bombs.  Tell me it would not happen in the UK if a nuke went off in the heart of London, in the US in New York, or in Russia in Moscow. 

To me, Wilders sees this as a war.  A war that most of the rest of the western world doesn't want to see.   And if they do see it, they do nothing but talk, prefering appeasement rather than risk doing something that isn't politically correct.

He may be wrong.  He may be right.  I believe that for now with Geert Wilders' extreme views, he should not be a position of great power, and I am afraid of the future in which he will be needed.

[Footkerchief]

The point is that it's not all dutch. To show the irony, the above is equivalent to "what is it with those blacks and racism?".

I'm dutch, I think I remember that you are, and we both know not ALL dutch are like that.

Wow, I had honestly thought you were an American heartland type until now.

[Muz]

I don't know what happened, but apparently, people are afraid of their nations being taken over by Islamic extremists. There's only like a few of them in this world, probably less than the population of Slovenia. They're underfunded and their strike teams are very weak, but apparently, they did a brilliant job at convincing people that they're everywhere. Don't confuse the extremists with the hundreds of millions of very angry Muslims opposing American/Israeli interference in the middle east, though, they're not the only ones doing it.

The USA didn't kick out American-Japanese from the countries during WW2, and I doubt they'd kick out American-Arabs if a terrorist nuke ever goes off. If that ever happened, they'd receive a lot of flak over ethnic discrimination.

I know a lot of extremists, Islamic or otherwise. Very few (around 1-10% or so) of them actually want to kill people, and they actually get reported by other extremists. The fanatical ones you see in the media... most are the Arabian equivalent to racist shotgun-wielding rednecks, isolated from contact with non-Muslims and they have their own bigoted beliefs that all "niggers Dutch/Jews are gonna steal our land and rape our women".