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[abculatter_2]

BTW, changed production for my turn. Also, if research carries over, spend it on industry 4.

[Cheddarius]

Okay then, makes sense. I presume armor and shields work in the same way?

Armor is the same as weapons, but shields cost double (so they cost 2 points as long as you're under the tech cap), and engines have variable costs (see rules).

[Cheddarius]

You really should try to read and understand the rules before playing a game like this. It's a strategy game, it's very important to know the rules well.

City l13: (44 Production Available)
Build Colonist (15)
Build Naval Armed Transport (0/3/0/5, how much would this cost?)

Your level of armor technology is Armor 2. The Naval Armed Transport has 3 Armor. The first armor point costs 1 point; the second armor point costs 1 point; but the third has exceeded your armor tech, so it costs double (2 points). That's a total of 4 points so far.
Now, you have engines 2. By the same reasoning, the first point costs 1, the second point costs 1, the third point costs 2, the fourth point costs 2 - and since you've now exceeded double your level of Engines technology, the fifth point costs 3. So for engines you're spending 9 points.
In total, that's 13 points. You only have Size Limits 1. Naval units have 8 size cap for each level of Size Limits you have. Since you only have one level, your size cap for naval units is 8*1=8. Now your industry cost is calculated by the regular cost, 13, multiplied by how much you are "over" your size limit. The formula is (points^2)/(sizecap). So, 13^2/8=21.125=22 (round up). The ship costs 22 industry.

Note, however, that you also need Cargo Capacity to carry units. You'll need 5 cargo capacity to carry the Colonist.

[abculatter_2]

I was afraid the size limit would work that way...

Changing

[RAM]

Also, the armed transport isn't armed, you need at least 1 in weapons to actually damage anything.

Spoiler: yet another explanation of prices (click to show/hide)

Basic costs: You can go up to your technology for 1 point each. from your technology to twice your technology for 2 points each, then 3 points up to 3 times your technology and so on.

tech|level|cost per level|total cost
1 1 1 1
1 2 2 3
1 3 3 6
1 4 4 10

2 1 1 1
2 2 1 2
2 3 2 4
2 4 2 6
2 5 3 9

3 3 1 3
3 4 2 5
3 6 2 9
3 7 3 12

some items cost more or less depending upon the type of unit, missiles, for example, have half price engines, while land units have pay double for engines. These are listed in the first post, which is a bit scattered so you really need to read the whole thing once in a while. Hmmm, it seems that it is also out of date, umm, just memorise the oversize thing...
 If the cost is reduced, then so is the technology requirement, so that a missile can have 4 in engines without exceeding exceeding a technology of 2 and the engines will cost 2.
 This does not apply to price increases, so a land unit can have 2 in engines without exceeding technology 2, the engines will cost 4 industry however, but going up to 3 engines would cost 8...

Size limit
The size limit for a vehicle is equal to your size limit technology multiplied by the size limit increase listed for the unit type you are building.
 If the whole unit's price is doubled, such as with missiles, then don't multiply it until after you have calculated size limit.
 If the combined cost of your vehicle's components(including increases due to lack of technology, and assuming that cargo costs 1 point each) is greater than your size limit for that unit type, then the cost of that unit is equal to its cost assuming that cargo costs 1 multiplied by its cost assuming that cargo costs 1/2 divided by the size limit.
 You then apply any universal multipliers to cost.
 Always round any fractional cost up to the next integer when you are finished.

Carrying size:
 This is the cost of the item if you had infinite technology. and probably minus global multiplies, not sure about that...

Example:
Unit = missile:
---Engines cost 1/2 a point.
---Missiles gain 1 to their point limit per tech level.
---Costs 2 industry per point.
---Does not require armor.(all other units require at least 1 armour)
---Destroyed at the end of the turn they are launched in. They may only be moved in carrier units, except for launch.

tech = 2 in all
Stats = 3 in weapons, engines, and cargo. 3/0/0/3+3
weapons cost 4, engines cost 1 and 1/2, cargo is size 3 and costs 1.5 for a total of 8.5 size and 7 cost with 2 for a size limit.
for going over the size limit its cost increases to 8.5*7/2=29+3/4.
because it is a missile the cost to buy it is doubled to 59+1/2 which, due to the fraction, is increased to 60.
But to put it in a carrier the cost is 3 for the weapons +1.5 for the engines +3 for the cargo capacity = 7+1/2, so you could probably carry 2 of them in a vehicle with 15 cargo space...

[abculatter_2]

Also, the armed transport isn't armed, you need at least 1 in weapons to actually damage anything.

I know, I forgot to change the name. It's changed now though.

[RAM]

Oh, good, I don't object to the name, but I just wanted to make sure that you didn't think that it could win a fight against an unarmed transport...

[Nirur Torir]

I don't want to put this in the turn itself, and editing old turns won't help, but here are Cheddarius' revised turns.
(Note: He had reduced production because of a city too close to his capital. We forgot about it, and didn't fix it, so he lost resources. As it was early enough that he has had no contact, I allowed him to send alternative turns.
This is also a great time for me to annhialate his MG turret, which was only there so the player next to his capital couldn't rush him.)


TURN 1

RESEARCH
Research Industry 2 - 2 research
Research Industry 3 - 4 research

INDUSTRY
Name city Great Lactosia

Forces:
Great Lactosia: I14, Krigg
   Survey Team - 1/1/0/1 (Land)

Cheddarius status
 Current + Income = Next-Turn
 Industry: 8+24=32[8 base]
 Research: 0+6=6
 Industry 3

TURN 2

RESEARCH
Research Size Tech 2 - 2 research
Research Size Tech 3 - 4 research

INDUSTRY

Forces:
Great Lactosia: I14, Krigg
   Survey Team - 1/1/0/1 (Land)

Cheddarius status
 Current + Income = Next-Turn
 Industry: 32+24=56[8 base]
 Research: 0+6=6
 Industry 3
 Size Tech 3

[abculatter_2]

How do mountains affect unit movement and fighting power?

[Nirur Torir]

Not at all. They're only there for the production boost.

[Cheddarius]

When's the turn going to be? I'm dyin' here!

[Nirur Torir]

Then be revived.

This is Captain Frederick. Supporters of the Sons of Redemption have increased in number. They feel that this ship should be driven into Siren, at which point we will all "get on with our lives." They fail to understand the massive casualties that we would incur if such an action was taken, and refuse to listen to reason.

Two new groups have also appeared: The Earth Alliance, and the New Order. The Earth alliance believes that Earth is our only true home, and that we should return. The New Order .... Utter fanatics. They seek total control of this vessel, at which point they will glass Krinn and begin unloading nuclear ordnance at Siren until their demands are met - namely, a shuttle sent to retrieve certain leaders, who will then take control of the colony by threat of nuclear annihilation.

I will personally activate the destruct sequence on all on-board nuclear devices should it appear that The New Order is in a position to take control. As it is, most of the populace is willing to wait it out until you ........ *transmission end*

Spoiler: Siren (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Light Green Neyvn (click to show/hide)

DIPLOMACY//
Open to Receive...

RESEARCH//
Research Colony 2 - 2 research
Research Size 2 - 2 research

INDUSTRY//
Manufacture Colonist in Talkido Neather Port: 15 industry

ORDERS//
Colonist Movement H20 Siren to F20

CITIES//
Talkido Neather Port - H20, Siren

FORCES//
Talkido Neather Port: H20, Siren
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)
Tile F20, Siren
  Sight Drone - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)

STATUS//
Remaining Industry:30 (+20) [10]
Remaining Research: 4 (+4)

Weapons 2
Armor 1

Shields 2
Engines 2

Size Limits 1>2
Colony Limits 1>2
Industry 2

Spoiler: Blue RAM (click to show/hide)

Research: 7
 Size limits 2(-2=5)
 Size limits 3(-4=1)

Industry: 36
 Build coloniser at I17(-15=21)
 Build 0/1/0/4+5 Bomber 'Glittering Cloud' at I17(-15=6) Corrected from 16. You rounded your cargo costs too soon.

Move:
 Survey team at E17 to D18

Cities: I17, Siren

Forces:
Garrison at City I17: 3x 1/1/0/0 Fae Wisp (Land)
  0/3/0/1 Colonizer (Land)
  0/1/0/4+5C 'Glittering Cloud' (Bomber)
Force 1 at D18: 1/1/0/1 Survey Team (Land)

Status
Remaining Research: 6 (+5)
Remaining Industry: 27 (+21) [7]

Weapons 1
Armor 1

Shields 1
Engines 2

Size Limits 3
Colony Limits 1
Industry 3

Spoiler: White Techno65535 (click to show/hide)

Research: Colony limits 3
Production: 1x Colonist at G7

Orders: Move 2x colonists from G7 to F6

Cities
G7: Valmorgen

Forces :
Garrison at G7 city - 1/1/0/1 Survey Team (Land)
                          - 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
Force 1 at F6 - 2x 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)

Status:
Remaining Research: 4 (+4)
Remaining Industry: 45 (+30) [10]

Weapons: 1
Armour: 1
Shields: 1
Engines: 1

Size: 1
Colony: 3
Industry: 3

Spoiler: Abcullater_2 (click to show/hide)

Research: Colony limit 2, Engines 2
Production:
 Build Colonist (15)
 Build Naval Transport (0/1/0/2 5 cargo) (6) Corrected from 8. Cargo has half IP cost, rounded up.
 Build Naval Attack Ship * 3 (2/2/0/2) (6*3 = 18)
 Build Emergency Perimeter Defense (2/1/0/0) (3)

Orders: None

Cities:
N4

Forces:
City at N4, Siren: 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
                        0/1/0/2+5C Naval Transport (Sea)
                        3x 2/2/0/2 Naval Attack Ship (Sea)
                        2/1/0/0 Emergency Perimeter Defense

Status
Remaining Research: 6 (+5)
Remaining Industry: 26 (+24) [8]

Weapons 2
Armor 2

Shields 1
Engines 2

Size Limits 1
Colony Limits 2
Industry 3

Spoiler: Krigg (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Orange Cheddarius (click to show/hide)

RESEARCH
Trade Size Tech 2 to Knight Otu - 1 research
Trade Industry 3 to Knight Otu - 1 research
Research Engines 2 from Knight Otu's trade - 1 research
Research Engines 3 from Knight Otu's trade - 1 research

INDUSTRY
Build 2 R35 Roquefort Carrier Tanks - 10 industry
Build 2 J3 Jarlsberg CCUs and place in R35s - 15 industry
Total industry cost: 50 industry

Orders: None

Cities:
Great Lactosia - I14, Krigg

Forces
Great Lactosia: I14, Krigg
   R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank - 0/1/0/3+5C (Land)
      J3 Jarlsberg CCU - 0/3/0/1+Colonist (Land)
   R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank - 0/1/0/3+5C (Land)
      J3 Jarlsberg CCU - 0/3/0/1+Colonist (Land)
   C11 Colby Jack Scout Tank - 1/1/0/1 (Land)

Status
Remaining Research: 8 (+6)
Remaining Industry: 30 (+24) [8]

Weapons 1
Armor 1

Shields 1
Engines 3

Size Limits 3
Colony Limits 1
Industry 3

Spoiler: Cheddarius' unit designs (click to show/hide)

Rename Survey Team:
C11 "Colby Jack" Scout Tank (Land)
Upon landing, the C11 Scout Tank was named after famed Terran explorer Jack Colby - even in the Slora system, the colonists want to keep in touch with their roots. However, it is only named so euphemistically. There is nothing notable to scout for on Krigg's barren wastelands. No gold or jewels lie under the dirt, no herds of animals roam. The colonists already know all they need to know from their pre-entry observation. The Colby Jack Scout Tank exists only as a mobile defense base. Slow, fragile, and weak, it cannot put up a fight against even a small enemy force. It was created originally to seize land from neighbors; however, as an ally pact was made with the only nearby colony, too far away to attack easily with the C11's poor engines, that purpose is gone as well. It now exists only to defend from the smallest of threats; there are no plans to construct more.

Rename MG Turret:
P21 Prastost Revolver Cannon (Land)
The P21 Prastost was created to protect the colony from threats. It is quite powerful for a weapon meant to be used in the early days of the colony; with its stored ammunition, it is able to fire quickly, devastating even the strongest of early enemy tanks. However, it is immovable, and only serves as a defensive mechanism; in addition, it can be quite easily destroyed. Fortunately for the colonists, it does not much matter; they have no need to attack anyone... yet.

Design:
R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank (Land)
0/1/0/3+5C: 12 points: 9.5=10 industry
The R5 Roquefort is less of a tank and more of a hauling truck. It has room to carry troops or small tanks, even colony units; however, it has no weapons and is easily destroyed by enemy fire. As a high-priority carrier tank, it is incredibly fast, far more than any simple starting tank. Its powerful engines rush heavy loads and units across the wasteland, quickly delivering them to their drop-off points.


Design fancily-named Colonist:
J3 Jarlsberg City Construction Unit (land)
0/3/0/1+Colonist: 5 points: 15 industry
The J3 Jarlsberg is a behemoth. An immense rolling rounded box, it trudges across the wastelands. It is slow, but only as much as any other slow tank; its powerful engines propel it at a reasonable rate. Inside, hundreds of citizens slumber, ready to build a new city, one of the few in all the world. Collapsed construction cranes and building materials are stored in the gigantic hull, protected from even huge barrages of attacks by thick armor. Though it is immense, it can be hauled by other tanks to increase its speed; even with no weapons to speak of, it carries so much that it is quite slow. Massive steel-alloy loops allow cargo tanks to pull it along to its destination.

GM is now hungry.

Spoiler: Grey Knight Otu (click to show/hide)

Knight Otu's Turn:
New research: Trade with Cheddarius: Engines 2 and 3 for Size Limits 2 and Industry 3.
New production: 1 Colonist in CENTRAL (15I)
Unit movement: Previous Colonist forms Colonial Forces 1, moves to D12

Cities:
CENTRAL - E12

Forces:
 CENTRAL E12 (Krigg) - Survey Team - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
            - 4x Laser Turret G11 - 1/1/0/0 (Land)
            - Colonist - 0/3/0/1 (Land)
 Colonial Forces 1 D12 (Krigg) - Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)

Knight Otu status
Remaining Industry: 34 (+27) [9]
Remaining Research: 6 (+5)

Weapons 1
Armor 1

Shields 1
Engines 3

Size Limits 2 (new)
Colony Limits 2
Industry 3 (new)
------------
Existing Unit Designs:
 - Laser Turret G11 (1/1/0/0) (Land) (2/4 - Unit Cost 2)

Spoiler: Red Wimdit (click to show/hide)

Research: Colony Limits 3
Production: Two Colonists at J7

Orders
Colonist at J7 to I8

Cities
Eden - J7

Forces
Garrison at Eden, J7 - I8: Survey team - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
                                - 2x Colonist - 0/3/0/1 (Land)
Colonists (1) at I8, Siren - Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)

Status
Remaining Research: 8 (+5)
Remaining Industry: 37 (+27) [9]

Weapons 1
Armor 1

Shields 1
Engines 1

Size Limits 1
Colony Limits 3
Industry 3

Spoiler: Dark green Wolfchild (click to show/hide)

Research: Colony Limits 2
Production: 5x 1/2/0/1 Patrol Unit

Orders: None

Cities
D5

Forces
Garrison at D5: 2x Survey Team - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
     2/1/0/0 Sentry Turret (Land)
     1/2/0/0 Defensive Turret (Land)
     0/3/0/1 Colonists (Land)
     5x 1/2/0/1 Patrol Unit (Land)
Force 1 at E4: 2x 1/1/0/1 Survey Team (Land)
                        0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)

Status
Remaining Research: 6 (+4)
Remaining Industry: 29 (+27) [9]

Weapons 1
Armor 2

Shields 1
Engines 1

Size Limits 1
Colony Limits 2
Industry 3

[techno65535]

Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)

Research: Weapons 2, Size 2
Production: Production: 2x Peasant Mk.I (0/1/0/1) (4 carry capacity)
8x Paladin Mk.I (2/1/0/0)

Orders: Move 2x colonists from F6 towards F4 and B6.
Move colonist from G7 toward D10.

Cities
G7: Valmorgen

Forces :
Garrison at G7 city - 1/1/0/1 Survey Team (Land)
                          - 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
Force 1 at F6 - 2x 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)

Status:
Remaining Research: 4 (+4)
Remaining Industry: 45 (+30) [10]

Weapons: 1
Armour: 1
Shields: 1
Engines: 1

Size: 1
Colony: 3
Industry: 3

I believe I'm under the production cost. IIRC technology takes effect the same turn it's researched.

[Nirur Torir]

IIRC technology takes effect the same turn it's researched.

Correct.

2x 0/1/0/1+4C (Land) = 10 IP
8x 2/1/0/0 (Land) = 24 IP
Colonist = 15 IP
49 IP total, with 45 useable to spend this turn.

[techno65535]

Not making a colonist this turn...