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[techno65535]

Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)

Research: Industry 3
Production: 2 Colony units (1/1/0/1)

Orders: N/A

Cities
G7

Forces :

Status:
Remaining Research: 4 (+4)
Remaining Industry: 30 (+20) [10]

Weapons: 1
Armour: 1
Shields: 1
Engines: 1

Size: 1
Coloney: 2*
Industry: 2*

I do believe you messed up on the coordinates for at least my city. I took over Alfie's city, which was at G7, not N4. Actually, I think you got mine and Jesse's locations mixed up. However that seems to be the only mistake, I'm White at G7 and Jesse is Pink at N4, and Jesse has the survey team, I'm without garrison currently.

Corrected in my turn here.

[RAM]

A message came to Neyvn that an envoy had arrived to discuss a treaty. Upon seeing the individual it became apparent that they were a dwarf, it seems that the rumours that all the freaks had joined RAM's expedition were not entirely unfounded. The figure offered a document and then waddled away. The document read thusly:
 Most glorious leader of those who travel under the light-green banner, we of the blue lands wish to extend a treaty, so that we need not be in conflict at these most delicate of times.
 So that we may better understand one another we offer a trade of knowledge, that you may learn our industrial methods and that we may know of you propulsion techniques.
 We also wish to extend the offer of a treaty, that none of our forces should enter the shadows of the mountains that divide our cities. We hope that this would grant both our peoples a sense of security.

Respectfully, RAM

Offering to trade with Nevyn, industry 2 for engines 2.
Also offering a treaty so that none of our units enter the hexes at E19, F18, G19, H18, I19, J18, k19, or L18.


P.S.
 Had connection issues, I had hoped to send this some hours ago...

[Nirur Torir]

Somebody had me work out the price of an overcapped unit through PM. I made a mistake in my math, and based the "extra" cost for going over the limit on the cap instead of on the size of the over-sized unit. I liked the way the costs came out. I've always hated the way the cost of over-sized units made them nearly worthless.

As such, unless somebody points out that it's horrifically imbalanced, oversized units will now still increase in cost exponentially, but will now have the "base" the exponent is on stop increasing at the size cap OR at 4 points, whichever is higher. 1^5th is 1. No super-missiles to people who only have 1 size tech.

An example, because the above paragraph likely made no sense.

All technologies are at level 1.
Tank - 2/2/0/1 - 8 points used, out of the cap of 4.
The old cost would have been 8^2, or 64.
The new cost is 4^2, or 16.

I do my best math just before going to sleep, even if my explanations are slightly lacking.

[Cheddarius]

That sounds reasonable. So you can exceed the size limit by 1 and still only pay one extra industry (as you would anyway), but once you exceed it by 2 you have to pay three extra industry for the extra point, and then five, etc.?

What do you mean by "overcapped"? It seems to me that you're talking about the size limit. But then what does "oversized" mean? That must refer to the tech limit, yes?

[Nirur Torir]

4^1.25 is 5.7. Decimals will usually round up, making it cost 6 IP for going 1 point over a size limit of 4.
Same thing, going over the size limit.

[Wimdit]

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Silence. Complete silence. Well, complete except for the constant sound of his own breathing. Wu's radio had broken some time ago, and so the only time he could communicate with his fellows was when they were in the cabin of the rover they were using for their scouting mission. He snorted. 'Scouting mission.' What was there to scout? They had satellite images, and Wu's team was not equipped to gather any more information than those could provide. Unless they tripped over a cave system, he supposed. But no, nobody expected to find that. The fact of the matter was that Eden didn't need any more manpower, and this mission was a flimsy excuse to get a few people out of the base.

Wu was taking a brief constitutional outside the rover to get away from the cramped atmosphere, not to mention the literal atmosphere that carried the sounds of incredibly banal conversation. It was dangerous, being out here alone with no means of contacting anyone else, but he didn't care. Even if he did break his neck or if something happened to his suit, he wouldn't be missed. Really, the base didn't need more than a couple of people to function properly. Ah well. They'd be heading back soon, and maybe he could get his hands on some of that weird-smelling alcoholic stuff that old farmer Duncan brewed from the leftovers in the hydroponics tanks. That would help him out a lot.

He wondered what would happen to the rover once it had been returned. Probably just sit around gathering dust.

Research: Size Limits 2, Industry 3, Weapons 2, Armour 2
Production: Colonist

Orders: Survey team at I8 to J7

Cities
J7

Forces
Eden - J7: Rover - 1/1/0/1
   Colonist - 0/3/0/1

Status
Remaining Research: 0 (+9)
Remaining Industry: 4 (+15) [5]

Weapons 2*
Armor 2*

Shields 1
Engines 1

Size Limits 2*
Colony Limits 2
Industry 3*

[Cheddarius]

Can we have the specific formulas for calculating overtech and oversize costs?

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RESEARCH
Research Industry 3 - 4 research
Research Weapons 2 - 2 research

INDUSTRY
Manufacture Colonist in Great Lactosia: 15 industry
Name city Great Lactosia

Forces:
Great Lactosia: I14, Krigg
   Colonist - 0/3/0/1 (Land)
   Survey Team - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
   MG Turret - 2/1/0/0 (Land)

Cheddarius status
 Current + Income = Next-Turn
 Industry: 3+18=21
 Research: 0+4=4
 Industry 3
 Weapons 2

We still need Jesse and Neyvn. I propose a time limit. The pace before was much better, about one day per turn...

[Neyvn]

ODD... I thought I posted ages ago...
The (+4) behind the Industry and Research is what is being added this turn right, or is that the amount that is added at the end of each turn. I never was clear on that...
No RP today. Maybe next turn...


DIPLOMACY//
Accept
RAM, industry 2 for engines 2.
Treaty Of NoMan's Land at hexes at E19, F18, G19, H18, I19, J18, k19, or L18.

RESEARCH//
Research Shields 2 - 2 research
Research Trade -Incoming [Industry 2] - 1 research
Research Trade -Outgoing [Engines 2] - 1 research

INDUSTRY//
Name city Talkido Neather Port
Manufacture Colonist in Talkido Neather Port: 15 industry

FORCES//
Talkido Neather Port: H20, Siren
Rename Survey Team = Sight Drone   
  Sight Drone - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
   
ORDERS//
Sight Drone Movement H20 Siren to F20 (I believe, never been good with Grid Cords on a Hex Map)

STATUS//
Info needed on Obtaining this...

[Nirur Torir]

The (+4) is added between turns. You cannot use it on the turn you get it.

We still need Jesse and Neyvn. I propose a time limit. The pace before was much better, about one day per turn...

A time limit is a good idea, although some people need to talk with each other while in different time zones. Five days per turn, maybe?

Can we have the specific formulas for calculating overtech and oversize costs?

I will calculate them out for anyone who PMs me, wanting them calculated.

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It's a bit complicated, but you asked, so here it is. I'll illustrate it with an example, and use acronym tags for footnotes. This has an acronym tag. Hover your mouse over this sentence to read it.
All technologies are level 2.
We're making a bomber that is able to transport a colonist.
0/1/0/3+5C - 8 points, as the engines cost half a point each, and the half-point engine is rounded up. We have a size cap of 4.

Remember that cargo capacity has half the IP cost. This complicates my formula slightly. First, I need to find out how many points are used for "standard" stats, and how many are used for cargo. I'll be using variables.
3 used for stats - A = 3
8 points total - B = 8
Now, cargo. Here is where cargo's reduced cost will be noted. As cargo has a spare half point, it will merge with the half point of engine we have.
5 used for cargo - C = 2.5
5 points total - D = 5

Size cap is 4 - X = 4

Now, for the final cost, I'm going to take the percentage of the total size of each "half"
(X^(B/X)) * (A / B) +
(X^(D/X)) * (C / (B-A)) =
4^2 * 3/8 + 4^1.25 * 5/8 =
(16 * 0.375) + (5.656854 * 0.625) =
9.53
x2 for bomber
19.06
20 IP

Note the lack of any rounding until the end.
I hope to have a spreadsheet formula up soonish.

[Neyvn]

Hows my Turn Post???

[Nirur Torir]

Hows my Turn Post???

Looks good.

[Cheddarius]

Well, it's been six days... how long should we give Jesse?

[Nirur Torir]

24 hours. I'll send a prod.

[Neyvn]

Does RP matter (Like as in it can influence some dice rolls) or is it just Fluff...

[Nirur Torir]

RP is purely fluff this time around.