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[Cheddarius]

Any success?

[Nirur Torir]

This is Captain Frederick, get us a shuttle ASAP! We are failing to oppress the good citizens, and they have seen us through. Nearly all have rebelled, and they are have taken control of most of the ship. We need help now.

(Surprise one-time boost of 2 RP to Knight Otu and Wimdit for being the only two to provide a correct, copy-pastable force list in their turns. Thank you for making this easier on the GM.)

Spoiler: Siren (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Light Green Neyvn (click to show/hide)

DIPLOMACY//
Accepting to trade with RAM, Colonization 3 for Industry 3 next Cycle...
Requesting removal of Forces from D18

RESEARCH//
Research Colony 3 - 4 research

INDUSTRY//
Produce Unit - Patrol Drone, Fighter Design, 2/1/0/9 - 2+1+2+2=7^2/2 = 25IP

ORDERS//
Talkido Neather Port: H20, Siren
  Colonist Move to I21
Tile F20, Siren
  Sight Drone, Colonist Move to E19 INCONSISTENCY DETECTED. CORRECTING FOR ERROR > ALTERING ... > ORDER NOW POINTS TO G19. HAVE A NICE DAY.
//
Talkido Neather Port: H20, Siren > Tile I21, Siren
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)
Tile F20, Siren > Tile G19, Siren
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)
Tile F20, Siren > Tile H20, Siren
  Sight Drone - 1/1/0/1 (Land)

CITIES//
Talkido Neather Port - H20, Siren

FORCES//
Talkido Neather Port - H20, Siren
  Sight Drone - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
  Patrol Drone - 2/1/0/9 (Fighter)
Force 1 - G19, Siren:
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)
Force 2 - I21, Siren:
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)

STATUS//
Remaining Industry:25 (+20) [10]
Remaining Research: 4 (+4)

Weapons 2
Armor 1

Shields 0
Engines 2

Size Limits 2
Colony Limits 3
Industry 2

Spoiler: Blue RAM (click to show/hide)

Research:6
 Colony limits 2(2=4)

Industry: 27
 Build 2* 1/1/0/1 (Naval) 'Pretty Mermaid' at H16(6=21)[/color]

Move:
 Glittering Cloud at I17 loads Coloniser and moves to D18.
 Colonise D18

Cities: I17, Siren
D18, Siren

Forces:
Garrison at City I17: 3x 1/1/0/0 Fae Wisp (Land)
                            2x 1/1/0/1 Pretty Mermaid (Sea)
Garrison at City D18: 0/1/0/4+5C 'Glittering Cloud' (Bomber)
                             1/1/0/1 Survey Team (Land)

Status
Remaining Research: 15 (+11)
Remaining Industry: 57 (+36) [12]

Weapons 1
Armor 1

Shields 0
Engines 2

Size Limits 3
Colony Limits 2
Industry 3

Spoiler: White Techno65535 (click to show/hide)

Research: Weapons 2, Size 2
Production: Production: 2x Peasant Mk.I (0/1/0/1) (4 carry capacity)
8x Paladin Mk.I (2/1/0/0)

Orders: Move 2x colonists from F6 towards F4 and B6.
Move colonist from G7 toward D10. Please try to plot a course manually in the future. It slightly speeds my turns. Setting a destination along with your course is acceptable if you are worried about accidentally taking a scenic detour.

Cities
G7: Valmorgen

Forces :
Garrison at G7 city - 1/1/0/1 Survey Team (Land)
                            2x 0/1/0/1+4C Peasant Mk. I (Land)
                            8x 2/1/0/0 Paladin Mk. I (Land)
Force 1 at G5, Siren - 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
Force 2 at D6, Siren - 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
Force 3 at F8, Siren - 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)

Status:
Remaining Research: 4 (+4)
Remaining Industry: 41 (+30) [10]

Weapons: 2
Armour: 1
Shields: 0
Engines: 1
Size: 2

Colony: 3
Industry: 3

Spoiler: Abcullater_2 (click to show/hide)

Research: Weapons 3 (4), Size Limits 2 (2)
Production:
Build Cruise Missile*4 (1/0/0/4) (6*4=24)

Orders: None

Cities:
N4

Forces:
City at I13, Siren:2/1/0/0 Emergency Perimeter Defense
                        1/0/0/4 Cruise Missile (Missile)
Force 1 at L12, Siren:
                        0/1/0/2+5C Naval Transport (Sea)
                           0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
Force 2 at L14, Siren:
                        3x 2/2/0/2 Naval Attack Ship (Sea)

Status
Remaining Research: 5 (+5)
Remaining Industry: 26 (+24) [8]

Weapons 3
Armor 2
Shields 0
Engines 2

Size Limits 2
Colony Limits 2
Industry 3

Spoiler: Krigg (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Orange Cheddarius (click to show/hide)

Research Colony Limits 2 - 2 research
Research Colony Limits 3 - 4 research

INDUSTRY
0/1/0/4+5C: 8 points; 2*5.5*(8/6)=14.67=15 industry. Not quite. (2+2.5)*8/6 = 6 = 12 IP. You're as bad about not checking your work as I am.
Build 1 S5 Stilton Bomber in Great Lactosia - 12 industry
Build 1 J3 Jarlsberg CCU in Great Lactosia - 15 industry

One R35 Roquefort move to J11.
J3 Jarlsberg CCU colonize J11.
Other R35 Roquefort move to J17.
J3 Jarlsberg CCU colonize J17.

Cities:
Great Lactosia - I14, Krigg
Gouda - J11, Krigg
Stilton - J17, Krigg

Forces
Great Lactosia: I14, Krigg
   C11 Colby Jack Scout Tank - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
   Stilton Bomber - 0/1/0/4+5C (Bomber)
   Jarlsburg CCU - 0/3/0/1 + Colonist (Land)
Gouda Garrison: J11, Krigg
   R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank - 0/1/0/3+5C (Land)
Stilton City: J17, Krigg
   R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank - 0/1/0/3+5C (Land)

Status
Remaining Research: 15 (+13)
Remaining Industry: 78 (+75) [25]

Weapons 1
Armor 1
Shields 0
Engines 3

Size Limits 3
Colony Limits 3
Industry 3

Spoiler: Cheddarius' unit designs (click to show/hide)

Rename Survey Team:
C11 "Colby Jack" Scout Tank (Land)
Upon landing, the C11 Scout Tank was named after famed Terran explorer Jack Colby - even in the Slora system, the colonists want to keep in touch with their roots. However, it is only named so euphemistically. There is nothing notable to scout for on Krigg's barren wastelands. No gold or jewels lie under the dirt, no herds of animals roam. The colonists already know all they need to know from their pre-entry observation. The Colby Jack Scout Tank exists only as a mobile defense base. Slow, fragile, and weak, it cannot put up a fight against even a small enemy force. It was created originally to seize land from neighbors; however, as an ally pact was made with the only nearby colony, too far away to attack easily with the C11's poor engines, that purpose is gone as well. It now exists only to defend from the smallest of threats; there are no plans to construct more.

Rename MG Turret:
P21 Prastost Revolver Cannon (Land)
The P21 Prastost was created to protect the colony from threats. It is quite powerful for a weapon meant to be used in the early days of the colony; with its stored ammunition, it is able to fire quickly, devastating even the strongest of early enemy tanks. However, it is immovable, and only serves as a defensive mechanism; in addition, it can be quite easily destroyed. Fortunately for the colonists, it does not much matter; they have no need to attack anyone... yet.

Design:
R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank (Land)
0/1/0/3+5C: 12 points: 9.5=10 industry
The R5 Roquefort is less of a tank and more of a hauling truck. It has room to carry troops or small tanks, even colony units; however, it has no weapons and is easily destroyed by enemy fire. As a high-priority carrier tank, it is incredibly fast, far more than any simple starting tank. Its powerful engines rush heavy loads and units across the wasteland, quickly delivering them to their drop-off points.


Design fancily-named Colonist:
J3 Jarlsberg City Construction Unit (land)
0/3/0/1+Colonist: 5 points: 15 industry
The J3 Jarlsberg is a behemoth. An immense rolling rounded box, it trudges across the wastelands. It is slow, but only as much as any other slow tank; its powerful engines propel it at a reasonable rate. Inside, hundreds of citizens slumber, ready to build a new city, one of the few in all the world. Collapsed construction cranes and building materials are stored in the gigantic hull, protected from even huge barrages of attacks by thick armor. Though it is immense, it can be hauled by other tanks to increase its speed; even with no weapons to speak of, it carries so much that it is quite slow. Massive steel-alloy loops allow cargo tanks to pull it along to its destination.

S5 Stilton Bomber (Bomber)
0/1/0/4+5C: 8 points; 2*5.5*(8/6)=14.67=15 industry
The S5 Stilton is not a particularly stealthy bomber. It is massive, and makes no attempt to hide itself. Neither can it carry a massive quantity of bombs, dropping them onto cities to devastate enemy forces. Its bomb bay is quite small, actually; it can only carry one or two small missiles. However, it has one redeeming feature, and for this feature alone it is considered vitally important to the great nation of Great Lactosia; it is very, very fast. Like most planes, it shrieks across the landscape with immensely powerful engines; this model in particular was created to haul a J3 Jarlsberg City Construction Unit. With its increased speed, Great Lactosia will be able to establish colonies in far-away destinations, where the land is rich in resources. For this it is deemed a masterwork of Great Lactosia's diligent scientists and engineers.

Spoiler: Grey Knight Otu (click to show/hide)

Knight Otu's Turn:
New research: Colony Limits 3 (4R), Armor 2 (2R)
New Unit Designs: Laser Winder L11-3 (1/1/0/3) (Land) (8/8 - Unit Cost
                         Striker B11-2 (1/1/0/2) (Bomber) (3/4 - Unit Cost 6)
New production: 2 Laser Winders in CENTRAL (16I)
Unit movement: Colonial Forces 1 moves to C10.
                      The new colonist forms Colonial Forces 2 and moves to F11

Cities:
CENTRAL - E12

Forces:
 CENTRAL E12 (Krigg) - Survey Team - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
            - 4x Laser Turret G11 - 1/1/0/0 (Land)
            - 2x Laser Winder L11-3 - 1/1/0/3 (Land)
            - Colonist - 0/3/0/1 (Land)
 Colonial Forces 1 C10 (Krigg) - Colonist - 0/3/0/1 (Land)
 Colonial Forces 2 F11 (Krigg) - Colonist - 0/3/0/1 (Land)

Knight Otu status
Remaining Industry: 45 (+27) [9]
Remaining Research: 7 (+5)

Weapons 1
Armor 2
Shields 0
Engines 3

Size Limits 3
Colony Limits 2
Industry 3
------------
Existing Unit Designs:
 - Laser Turret G11 (1/1/0/0) (Land) (2/4 - Unit Cost 2)
 - Laser Winder L11-3 (1/1/0/3) (Land) (8/8 - Unit Cost 8 )
 - Striker B11-2 (1/1/0/2) (Air Bomber) (3/4 - Unit Cost 6)

Spoiler: Red Wimdit (click to show/hide)

Research: Size Limits 2, Engines 2, Engines 3
Production: None.

Orders
Colonist at I8 to G8.
One colonist at J7 to I6.

Cities
Eden - J7

Forces
Garrison at Eden, J7 - I8: Rover - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
                                - Colonist - 0/3/0/1 (Land)
Force 1 - Colonists (1) at G8, Krigg - Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)
Force 2 - Colonists (1) at I6, Krigg - Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)

Status
Remaining Research: 7 (+5)
Remaining Industry: 64 (+27) [9]

Weapons 1
Armor 1
Shields 0
Engines 3

Size Limits 2
Colony Limits 3
Industry 3

Spoiler: Dark green Wolfchild (click to show/hide)

Research Weapons 2 (4 RP left)
Produce 5 1/2/0/1 Patroll Units 4 IP left

Orders:
Move all patroll units from D5 to E6
Move units at E4 to F3

Cities
D5

Forces
Garrison at D5: 2x Survey Team - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
     2/1/0/0 Sentry Turret (Land)
     1/2/0/0 Defensive Turret (Land)
     0/3/0/1 Colonists (Land)
     5x 1/2/0/1 Patrol Unit (Land)
Force 1 at F3: 2x 1/1/0/1 Survey Team (Land)
                        0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
Force 2 at E6: 5x 1/2/0/1 Patrol Unit (Land)

Status
Remaining Research: 8 (+4)
Remaining Industry: 31 (+27) [9]

Weapons 2
Armor 2
Shields 0
Engines 1

Size Limits 1
Colony Limits 2
Industry 3

[Neyvn]

DIPLOMACY//
Accepting to trade with RAM, Colonization 3 for Industry 3...

RESEARCH//
Research Amour 2 - 2 RP
Trade Tech Colonization 3 to RAM - 1 RP
Trade Tech Industry 3 from RAM - 1 RP

INDUSTRY//
Produce Unit - Patrol Drone, Fighter Design, 2/1/0/9 - 25IP

ORDERS//
Tile I21, Siren > Tile J22, Siren
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)
Tile G19, Siren > Tile I19, Siren
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)

CITIES//
Talkido Neather Port - H20, Siren

FORCES//
Talkido Neather Port - H20, Siren
  Sight Drone - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
  Patrol Drone - 2/1/0/9 (Fighter)
  Patrol Drone - 2/1/0/9 (Fighter) - Underconstruction

Force 1 - G19, Siren > I19, Siren:
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)
Force 2 - I21, Siren > J22, Siren:
  Colonist 0/3/0/1 (Land)

STATUS//
Remaining Industry: 0 (+30) [10]
Remaining Research: 0 (+4)

Weapons 2
Armor 1 > 2

Shields 0
Engines 2

Size Limits 2
Colony Limits 3
Industry 2 > 2

[Nirur Torir]

New ruling, after seeing the effectiveness of airborne colonists: From this point forward, A colonist may build a colony while it has no movement points left, such as after it has moved.

[techno65535]

Spoiler: turn (click to show/hide)

Research: Engines 2
Production: Production: Valmorgen: Mid-range orbital fighter (2/1/0/12) (believe it comes in at 40.5 to build, so 41. Someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Orders: Move Force 1 colonists into F4 and deploy. Lormidia
Move Force 2 colonist into B6 and deploy. Mayhew
Move Force 3 colonist into E9 toward D10.

Cities
G7: Valmorgen

Forces :
Garrison at G7 city - 1/1/0/1 Survey Team (Land)
                            2x 0/1/0/1+4C Peasant Mk. I (Land)
                            8x 2/1/0/0 Paladin Mk. I (Land)
Force 1 at G5, Siren - 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
Force 2 at D6, Siren - 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
Force 3 at F8, Siren - 0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)

Status:
Remaining Research: 4 (+4)
Remaining Industry: 41 (+30) [10]

Weapons: 2
Armour: 1
Shields: 0
Engines: 1
Size: 2

Colony: 3
Industry: 3

[Cheddarius]

Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)

Research
Colony Limits 4 - 8 research

Industry
Build 1 R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank in Great Lactosia - 10 industry
Build 1 J3 Jarlsberg CCU in Great Lactosia - 15 industry

S5 Stilton Bomber move to E18.
J3 Jarlsberg CCU colonize J11.

Cities:
Great Lactosia - I14, Krigg
Gouda Garrison - J11, Krigg
Stilton City - J17, Krigg
Mozzarella City - E18, Krigg

Forces
Great Lactosia: I14, Krigg
   C11 Colby Jack Scout Tank - 1/1/0/1 (Land)
   R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank - 0/1/0/3+5C (Land)
   J3 Jarlsberg CCU - 0/3/0/1+Col (Land)
Gouda Garrison: J11, Krigg
   R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank - 0/1/0/3+5C (Land)
Stilton City: J17, Krigg
   R35 Roquefort Carrier Tank - 0/1/0/3+5C (Land)
Mozzarella City: E18, Krigg
   S5 Stilton Bomber - 0/1/0/4+5C (Bomber)

Status
Remaining Research: 7 (+13)
Remaining Industry: 53 (+75) [25]

Weapons 1
Armor 1
Shields 0
Engines 3

Size Limits 3
Colony Limits 4
Industry 3

[wolfchild]

Spoiler: turn (click to show/hide)

Orders:
Move Units at F3 to G2
Turn Colonists at G2 into a city at G2
Move patroll units in City at D5 to E6

Research: (8RP)
Research Industry 4 (no RP left)

Industry: (31 IP)
Create 3 1/2/0/0 Patroll Teams in the City at D5 (-15 Ip) (16 Left)
Create 4 2/2/0/0 Guardian Turrets in the City at D5 (-16 IP) (0 left)

Spoiler: after turn (click to show/hide)

Cities:
D5
G2

Forces:
Garrison at D5: 4x 2/2/0/0 Guardian Turret (Land)
     3x 1/2/0/0 Patroll Team(Land)
     2/1/0/0 Sentry Turret (Land)
     1/2/0/0 Defensive Turret (Land)
Garrison at G2: 2x 1/1/0/1 Survey Team (Land)
Force 2 at E6: 10x 1/2/0/1 Patrol Unit (Land)

Technologies:

Weapons 2
Armor 2
Shields 0
Engines 1

Size Limits 1
Colony Limits 2
Industry 4

Also, there was some stuff in my city that i had already moved out, i removed it

edit: Changed the stuff cheddarius pointed out

[Cheddarius]

You can't build units in a city that is being built that turn.
You wrote "research Industry 2" when you meant "Industry 4".

[RAM]

I am giving away my secret weapon here, please show respect for my sacrifice...

Spoiler: Turn order (click to show/hide)

00Move:
  01Load into carriers.
  02Moving and unloading from carriers.
10Research:
  11Perform research and research trades.
  12Gain profit from research income. wait, no, this is 35
20Industry:
  2?Transfer industry between planets?
  2?Gift industry to other empires?
  22Production of units.
  23Gain industry income. 35 again, I am pretty sure...
30Combat:
  31Pre-combat missiles attack.
  32Combat between standard units.
  33Can anyone think of a strategically or tactically good reason to have your missiles attack after combat?
  3?Control of colonies is transferred if a foreign power has land units within them?
  35Colonisation of new settlements.

Spoiler: significance (click to show/hide)

Colonisation occurs after movement, so you can move and colonise in the same turn.
Colonisation occurs after income, so you don't get the profits right away. Oh, wait, I think you do, but you can't spend them because spending has already happened...
Loading occurs before movement, so carriers must start on the same space as their cargo.
But unloading and movement can be interspersed in whatever fashion you like. do you can unload a coloniser and then move it under its own power to a target and then have it colonise.
Units can be built before attacks occur, though they will be vulnerable as detailed in book 4, chapter 17, section 3, subsection F of 'The Officer's Code of Dress', they may still be able to defend a settlement.
Regardless of what the rules say, units cannot move on the turn they are built, nor can they be loaded into other units.
Pretty much everything you can do that would benefit from research occurs after research, so you are very much able to benefit from it on the turn it occurs in.

[abculatter_2]

I'm going to be gone for the next about 4 days, so you guys know.

Also, how the hell does cargo capacity work for carrying stuff?

Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)

Research: Armor 3 (3)
Production:
Aerial Transport (0/1/0/4+4C) (7)
Infantry (1/1/0/1) (4)

Orders:
Force 2 move to I15
Force 1 move to H11

Cities:
N4

Forces:
City at I13, Siren:2/1/0/0 Emergency Perimeter Defense
                        1/0/0/4 Cruise Missile (Missile) x4
Force 1 at L12, Siren:
                        0/1/0/2+5C Naval Transport (Sea)
                           0/3/0/1 Colonist (Land)
Force 2 at L14, Siren:
                        3x 2/2/0/2 Naval Attack Ship (Sea)

Status
Remaining Research: 2 (+5)
Remaining Industry: 13 (+24) [8]

Weapons 3
Armor 3*
Shields 0
Engines 2

Size Limits 2
Colony Limits 2
Industry 3

[RAM]

You calculate the point value of the unit without cost increases from technology, so cargo each costs 1, land engines 2...
Forget that, +1 for each point of armour and weapons, +2? for each level of shields, +cost multiplier for each engine point(+1/3 for fighters, +2 for land units), +cargo space. Colonisation is free _{to carry}...

So, mecha-colony has the following stats
8/4/4/4+12cargo+colony(land)
with the technology 2/2/2/2+2size... It would cost a lot, a very very lot, but we don't care, because technology doesn't factor into carrying other units... couldn't resist, 594, not as bad as I had feared to be honest.
the stats convert as follows:
from: 8/4/4/4+12+c
into: 8+4+8+8+12+0
=40[/s]
Except technology IS a factor, so it actually comes down to:
from: 08/4/04/04+12+c at 2/2/2/2+2 tech
into: 20/6/12/12+12=62
So mecha-colony jet-wings would require 40 62 cargo capacity. hmmm, could we get a cost increase to allow a carried item to fight while carried? As it is, mecha-colony would be helpless when its wings were attached...

Had mecha-colony been a bomber it would instead have cost:
from: 8/4/4/4+12+c
into: 8+4+8+2+12+0
=34
because the engines are smaller and the doubling of the cost only applies to manufacturing, not design...

[Nirur Torir]

You calculate the point value of the unit without cost increases from technology, so cargo each costs 1, land engines 2...
Forget that, +1 for each point of armour and weapons, +2? for each level of shields, +cost multiplier for each engine point(+1/3 for fighters, +2 for land units), +cargo space. Colonisation is free...

Wrong. Low weapon/armor/shield/engine tech increases the point cost. This, in turn, increases the carrying capacity needed and the IP cost. Colonization modules cost 10 points and 10 IP.

The turn order is something more like this:

I am giving away my secret weapon here, please show respect for my sacrifice...

Spoiler: Turn order (click to show/hide)

00Move:
  01Load into carriers.
  02Moving and unloading from carriers.
10Research:
  11Perform research and research trades.
20Industry:
  21Production of units.
30Combat:
  31Pre-combat missiles attack.
  32Combat between standard units.
  33Can anyone think of a strategically or tactically good reason to have your missiles attack after combat?
  3?Control of colonies is transferred if a foreign power has land units within them?
40Post-combat
  41Colonisation of new settlements.
  42Income
  43Unloading of IP carried in cargo bays for ally use or use on a different planet

Note that a captured colony needs to be garrisoned for a full turn before it is usable.

[RAM]

Does size-limit technology factor into cargo requirements?
Units 'remember' their own personal technology for upgrade purposes, I would assume that this applies to cargo requirements also...

[Nirur Torir]

Does size-limit technology factor into cargo requirements?

No. Units will be the same size, you just don't have the proper technology to build tanks that large, or ships that large, or the proper logistics to supply them, etc.

Units 'remember' their own personal technology for upgrade purposes, I would assume that this applies to cargo requirements also...

Yes, of course. Which is why they will henceforth be tracked.
_{Achievement complete: Use "henceforth" properly in a sentence.}

[Cheddarius]

Yes, of course. Which is why they will henceforth be tracked.

How about, when we want to upgrade something (not very often, judging from the test game), we just search the thread to find what tech it had when it was created? That seems simpler.