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How did your fortress die off?

Goblin Siege
- 123 (14.9%)
Tantrum Spiral from guy wanting shells
- 107 (13%)
stupid elves attacking my fort
- 2 (0.2%)
Magma and Elephants!!!
- 13 (1.6%)
Stupid elves and lava
- 2 (0.2%)
Starvation
- 51 (6.2%)
Dragons and Titans and Forgotten beasts. Oh my!
- 69 (8.4%)
Fortress Flooding!!!
- 32 (3.9%)
Demons!!!!
- 42 (5.1%)
Human Siege?
- 1 (0.1%)
Kobolds?
- 14 (1.7%)
Other
- 367 (44.6%)

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sinister agent

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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #105 on: August 10, 2010, 01:40:34 pm »

My first fort was abandoned after 5 minutes as it fell prey to that bug where you can't assign most labours to anyone.

The second was abaonded after another goblin ambush, rendered devastating by military bugs, killed off my entire elite military and about 20 others.  I got bored of losing 30 dwarves every year and having to finish off the surviving goblins by bundling them, and abandoned.

Third fort is still going.  I suspect that it will be something from below that does for me.  If not a massive, cretinous cave-in caused by my over-ambitious terraforming project.

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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #106 on: August 12, 2010, 01:47:54 am »

I rarely play a fort long enough for it fall to anything, I generally get bored after I've gotten myself established and could actually start producing weapons or anything significant. I seem to enjoy the initial stages of forts more then anything else. It started because my computer sucks and even a moderate number of dwarves ground down and down and down, but now it seems to be inertia.
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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #107 on: August 12, 2010, 01:53:00 am »

I actually abandon a lot of forts at about the same point, got my infrastructure all set up and just decide I want to try a different approach, although when I do get squashed it's because I've been a complete pacifist and the first ambush slaughters all my lads.
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deltagear

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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #108 on: August 12, 2010, 02:59:48 am »

Goblin freaking siege. 7 out of 10 forts die off because of those lil bastards.

The other 3 have to do with tantrums.
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Shades

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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #109 on: August 12, 2010, 03:03:32 am »

For me it's mostly boredom. The early stages of the game are more fun I find.

Oh sure I know something will go wrong eventually and I'll probably die from a combination of invaders and tantrum spirals but the rest of the time everything gets to a point it's ticking over smoothly.

I guess the solution is to break into hell but that tends to go from easy street to instant death. Would prefer something I had a chance of surviving ;)
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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #110 on: August 12, 2010, 03:32:24 am »

Other:

I grow bored with the fortress.
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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #111 on: August 12, 2010, 08:46:21 am »

Moat! Check!
Defensive bridge! Check!
Begin mining for ores! Where'd all this water come from?!?!
Oh hells... i extended my moat to make an above ground well for my gate guards and channelled into my own mining operation...
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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #112 on: August 12, 2010, 09:16:42 am »

Normally for me it's a digging error of some kind. I mess up my "plan" and decide to start over.
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Aik

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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #113 on: August 12, 2010, 09:21:40 am »

So far:
Two from boredom.
One from thirst.
One from undead yeti.
One from kobold ambush.
One from ogres.

And another one nearly lost from a goblin ambush, but a million migrants came before they finished butchering everyone. I've started playing with pumps and such, so it will probably die of a horrible flooding accident.
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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #114 on: August 12, 2010, 09:46:36 am »

Right now I'm playing with the intent of creating an world filled with unique, different, and interesting ruins to explore with an adventurer.  This includes a massive 'ruined' wall (parts between zone changes are broken because they have to be, naturally), towering spires atop mountains, at least one lighthouse, and several plans for small, rather empty forts - sometimes with stories to tell.  I'm planning on deliberately (partly) flooding one and leaving air pockets to make things extra interesting, and actually explorable.

That sounds like an awesome idea. Do you have to reclaim (and then embark somewhere else) for that or do abandoned forts automatically get added to the map? Having a single suitably varied map filled with previous forts for an adventurer would be great.
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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #115 on: August 12, 2010, 11:49:46 am »

Miscalculated the size of the magma pipe when I dug next to it. Had no lava-proof floodgates. Oopsie.  :-[
Yeah, I'm pretty new to the game. How could you tell?

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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #116 on: August 12, 2010, 01:53:27 pm »

FPS
Boredom
Disinterest
planning failures
That's my most common list too.

Right now I have a fort I'm happy with, but there's a Forgotten Beast that appears to have gotten stuck on a water ramp.  There's nothing blocking it, but it just sits there.  I dunno if this is why, but no other Forgotten Beasts have shown up since.

And sieges are just silly.  Any decent fort is self-sufficient and can be completely impregnable if you want it to be.  I generally AVOID making my fort impregnable (relying on military and some rock/weapon traps) because it's just too boring to pull one switch, raise a drawbridge and be completely invulnerable.

I guess at some point I could just declare victory and start a new fort but I enjoy seeing how things play out during an attack.  My previous fort got wiped out by a forgotten beast caterpillar that tended to pick up dwarves and then shake them, tearing off whatever that part was, and his favorite part was "lower body"...
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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #117 on: August 12, 2010, 06:21:53 pm »

That being said, closing up a fort and making it impregnable is the idea of a 'seige' rather than an 'assault'. In my opinion, it needs to be very difficult to make farms within the fort itself (nerfing underground plants, perhaps?) and then the idea becomes 'hope they get cold feet before food runs out'.

Although toady was planning to get attackers using grappling hooks and the like to climb over walls, and also tunnelling into your fort.
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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #118 on: August 13, 2010, 01:45:21 am »

I have to vote Other. Most of them die from my lack of interest and eventual (very gradual) deletion.
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Re: Wonder how most forts fall?
« Reply #119 on: August 13, 2010, 03:10:24 am »

Other - Boredom.
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