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[Fniff]

I notice that the Internet has a category of words that start out as specific names for things then just turn into general words for things. For instance: actual idiots being called trolls when by definition they wouldn't be trolls if they were doing it honestly. The same thing seems to be happening with SJWs.

I have no love for the Tumblrites who invaded the upper boards despite the fact it was in the wake of an update that gave them precisely what they should want, but the line between "reasonable people in favor of equality" and "people who think that spamming a niche forum about what a bunch of neckbeards they were is going to change anything at all" is getting blurrier every day and I don't like that fact.

[Dutchling]

I was under the impression that SJW has never been positive at all, although Social Justice in general of course is.

[TamerVirus]

Armchair activism and the response to it seems to bring out the worst of people.

On both sides

[Teneb]

I notice that the Internet has a category of words that start out as specific names for things then just turn into general words for things. For instance: actual idiots being called trolls when by definition they wouldn't be trolls if they were doing it honestly. The same thing seems to be happening with SJWs.

I have no love for the Tumblrites who invaded the upper boards despite the fact it was in the wake of an update that gave them precisely what they should want, but the line between "reasonable people in favor of equality" and "people who think that spamming a niche forum about what a bunch of neckbeards they were is going to change anything at all" is getting blurrier every day and I don't like that fact.

Wait, the upper boards were invaded?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Invaded might be the wrong term, but Toady adding orientation tags to DF 2014 put blood in the water for them.

[nenjin]

I'm so sick of SJW in games and in games journalism. They pronounce all sorts of shit like "The end of the gamer" and what not, basically trying to assert that they're winning whatever cultural battle they think they're fighting. Meanwhile, their "no-violence 2d platform rhythm games featuring an all LGBT cast exploring their depressing childhoods" games they fawn over continue to not really make any money.

nenjin, I'm really trying to like you, so please stop using SJW like a 14-year-old truther. 

Got a better word I should be using? Perhaps Social Justice Keyboard Warrior, to distinguish between people who do real activism from people who just talk on the internet? When your job is apparently generating articles for a website to specifically single out games that offend your sense of social values, what other word should I be using?

Also, stop discriminating against 14-year-old bruthers. Relativism, and all that.

It's just irritating when I, for exampe, check out RPS' Sunday papers and the bulk of what they find "interesting" are articles like that. It's not a conversation I find interesting, and I'm struggling to find an indie source of game news that hasn't become consumed by this issue. Imagine your favorite new site or periodical becoming 80% editorial and 20% reporting. That's essentially what it all is. Because editorialzing and getting people worked up in the comments is both easier to do than reporting (or apparently, than playing games and talking about them) and generates more page hits. It's becoming click-bait in the conversation about games.

[Dutchling]

Armchair activism and the response to it seems to bring out the worst of people.

On both sides

That's only true if you don't like drama.

[Loud Whispers]

I was under the impression that SJW has never been positive at all, although Social Justice in general of course is.

Keyboard warrior was used as an insult against armchair activists back in the days, SJW was self-labelled but the crazies applied it so well to themselves (we're talking about the people who unironically label themselves as polycisminded wolfkin here) that it was quickly adopted by just about everyone who acted in the stereotypical manner of a social justice warrior.

[TamerVirus]

-words-

Wait, the upper boards were invaded?

There was a period where certain groups were shouting that Bay12 was a hatemongering scum hole on par with the darkest periods of the Internet

This period...was fairly recent

[Fniff]

I notice that the Internet has a category of words that start out as specific names for things then just turn into general words for things. For instance: actual idiots being called trolls when by definition they wouldn't be trolls if they were doing it honestly. The same thing seems to be happening with SJWs.

I have no love for the Tumblrites who invaded the upper boards despite the fact it was in the wake of an update that gave them precisely what they should want, but the line between "reasonable people in favor of equality" and "people who think that spamming a niche forum about what a bunch of neckbeards they were is going to change anything at all" is getting blurrier every day and I don't like that fact.

Wait, the upper boards were invaded?

Yep. On the thread where people noticed that there were gay people in DF, someone suggested homophobia. A big argument ensued, mostly about whether or not history slanted towards homophobia, but one person complained that as a gay man who has to deal with homophobia every day he would never play DF again if there was homophobia in it, even if it was realistic. After a while, he declared that he was going to quit then complained on his Tumblr. After that, it gets a little hazy for me as I wasn't present, but I heard a few people came on to complain about how Bay12 was full of homophobes.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Yes, apparently we're collectively "fascist reactionary neckbeard rape apologists" now.

[nenjin]

In the interest of maintaining the thread rules, let's drop what did or didn't happen here at Bay12.

[Loud Whispers]

Can of worms then. And all I ever wanted was a simple Dwarven eugenics program for the Fortress, unbridled by childless marriages.

[Fniff]

It's amazing how no-one ever mentioned the eugenics programs, but I digress from thread guidelines.

Maybe we should come up with a name for cool people in favor of equality. The internet doesn't have enough names for people who are just cool in specific areas.

[Loud Whispers]

It's amazing how no-one ever mentioned the eugenics programs, but I digress from thread guidelines.
Maybe we should come up with a name for cool people in favor of equality. The internet doesn't have enough names for people who are just cool in specific areas.

Egalitarians
People
[Insert name here]
Also yeah, can't really argue morals when purging weak Dwarves