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[Frumple]

Maybe I've just been awake too long, but there's something both vaguely counterproductive and mildly enraging about berating someone that's been burnt out by berating.

I will say, though, it's possible to burn out guilt and regret and all that useless bullshit without burning out caring in other ways. Good place to be, really. Guilt's completely fucking useless, as is regret and so on and so forth. Learn and change and deal with the new consequences or don't and deal with the old ones. Feeling bad about it does jack-all.

Not the easiest thing to internalize but once you do so many things become so much less painful.

And remember. The correct response to someone trying to guilt trip you is either a literal or metaphorical fork to their eyeball. Shit should not stand. Is not fair play, should not be treated as fair play, should be responded to with a kick to the crotch and a double-arm defenestration. Admittedly the situation usually precludes that, but that's the ideal response. Geneva convention of social interaction gets broke, it's time to bust out the WP.

[kisame12794]

Yeah, I've since moved out, and am doing my damndest to never return. Now I just have to fix 20 years of shit.

[Sergarr]

-snip-

Might and Magic is still the best RPG game, after all these years...

[Sinistar]

I didn't sleep last night because someone else was having sex with the person I'm in love with. Then, in the morning, the 'someone else' woke up and accused me and his girlfriend (correctly) of getting along better than they do and started a bunch of bullshit.

I could break him with five goddamn words, but instead I tried to play the mediator and fix things. I'm trying really, really hard to be the nice, moral, honorable person I know I should be, but at this point, I kind of want to-

* Hans takes a deep breath, holds it for a moment, and slowly releases it.

I kind of want to break my best friend as a person. I ain't that person though, so I am not going to. :/ My life is fucked up.

I know some people won't agree with me, but sometimes... sometimes some people just don't deserve your patience.

You consider him your "best friend"? I'd consider you do some serious talking to him. I know that's something a lot of people would tell you and you most certainly are aware of that yourself AND I know it's easier said than done - but if he's really your friend, he should understand his accusations are false when you try to explain that to him. As for trying to hold back - would "breaking" him mean you'd use methods you otherwise hate seeing used? Would the act of breaking make you feel like the kind of person you hate? I mean, you say you try to be a moral, honorable person - would said breaking involve anything amoral, dishonorable? I don't think the means necessarily justify the end. It's better to wait and try to change the means to achieve the same goal, instead of going over your principles to achieve the goal in shortest possible way.

Then again, I don't think I'm making much sense myself.

[Urist Imiknorris]

She... threw out your legos?!
Did this prompt physical violence on your part? Why the fuck would someone throw out their kid's legos?
That seriously makes me angry. How stupid can someone get? My mother has been pretty horrible to me in the past, but at least she never threw away any of my childhood toys as far as I can remember.
Anyway, hang in there, and one day you'll be able to get away from that lego-stealing maniac. Sooner the better.

My dad did that once, in retaliation for me stomping around after he told me to stop. Of course, "threw out" meant "threw out into the back yard" and it was only about a third of them, but it was still rude.

[Kamin]

She... threw out your legos?!
Did this prompt physical violence on your part? Why the fuck would someone throw out their kid's legos?
That seriously makes me angry. How stupid can someone get? My mother has been pretty horrible to me in the past, but at least she never threw away any of my childhood toys as far as I can remember.
Anyway, hang in there, and one day you'll be able to get away from that lego-stealing maniac. Sooner the better.

My dad did that once, in retaliation for me stomping around after he told me to stop. Of course, "threw out" meant "threw out into the back yard" and it was only about a third of them, but it was still rude.

Sounds pretty benign to me--also sounds like maybe you were being an ungrateful little asshole who deserved it. God knows I deserved everything I ever got from my parents. Even though I was sometimes "in the right," I was a smartass that would go out of my way to push people's buttons and lord my rightness over them. Often, this consisted of me continuing to do something after being asked multiple times to stop

[GiglameshDespair]

I'm trying really, really hard to be the nice, moral, honorable person I know I should be

Don't be something you aren't.
I'm a cynical realist and I am proud.

"If you're a dick, be a dick and never try to change?" No.
To be unfortunately patronising, you're also thirteen, and by the sounds of it in a restricting household. Your life advice and experience is questionable.

The thing about being honourable and moral is that it isn't the easiest route, but it's doable. You may not see material rewards, or hell, even spiritual ones, but it's what is right to do.

Heh. Nothing can destroy a friendship like a woman.

[LordSlowpoke]

ain't it the point to stop acting like a honorable and moral person and you know

actually be one

acting implies you stop being the character you act like and revert to your "usual self" at some point

so yeah

[Tiruin]

>_>
<_<

* Tiruin *applauses*

[Sonlirain]

I'd like to point out that most codes of honor act to the detriment of the person that is to be considered honourable.
I kinda think the idea of honor was made as a method of control rather than a positive trait it's seen as now.

[TD1]

Honour meant strict rules then. The Code of Chivalry. Now, it's much more flexible. Also

ain't it the point to stop acting like a honorable and moral person and you know

actually be one

acting implies you stop being the character you act like and revert to your "usual self" at some point

so yeah

No, it's not the point to stop acting like one. The desire to act like one implies that you are honourable, and that you value morals. Everyone has a mask they take off when they get home, but that's not the point of honour...honour is treating people right. At least, that's my modern definition.

[Tiruin]

I think you two got mixed up over the many meanings of 'act' xD

LSP's "act" = acting, as in, being something you aren't but only to perform; upholding something you are not sincere at.
Dwarfy's "act" = Commit to action.

[TD1]

There was no confusion...

But I would get rid of the "not sincere" part of your definition. Acting honourable is what most people do, given a lot of it may go against their nature. It's no less sincere...they may not want to run into a burning building to save a baby or somesuch. But they force themselves to. They put on an act. It still makes them a good person for doing it, and it is sincere....

But what's the difference between someone doing that, and someone who goes through life being honourable where he can, even if he doesn't feel like it? That's pretty much the definition of honour...one great act.

Or perhaps I'm being too cynical? I have to say, cynicism would be new to me.

[Tiruin]

I'm trying really, really hard to be the nice, moral, honorable person I know I should be

Don't be something you aren't.
I'm a cynical realist and I am proud.

"If you're a dick, be a dick and never try to change?" No.
To be unfortunately patronising, you're also thirteen, and by the sounds of it in a restricting household. Your life advice and experience is questionable.

The thing about being honourable and moral is that it isn't the easiest route, but it's doable. You may not see material rewards, or hell, even spiritual ones, but it's what is right to do.

Heh. Nothing can destroy a friendship like a woman.

wat

[Yoink]

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