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[Mictlantecuhtli]

I'm probably just heavily biased in this issue. Deer are so adorable and just want to, like, eat berries and shit. It's not their fault they get overpopulated without natural predators and therefore become a 'nuisance' [Like the bears and wolves before them were considered..]

Note: I live in the northwest, where we have a history of very successful predator reintroductions into the wild, and having a positive impact on the ecosystems we've hunted to the breaking point.

[GiglameshDespair]

More guns? Yep, that's the solution. Make those who want guns be able to get them easier. I prefer a biological response to a biological problem. Wolves nowadays have been so persecuted by humans they stay away. Populations change attitudes over ages, even wolves.

Compromise.

The thing is, people here would treat the wolves like dogs. They'd try to pet them. They'd leave out food for them. Then they'd get hurt. Urban foxes are bad enough without having urban packs of wolves walking the streets.

Farmers would also be unhappy, having their flocks and sheepdogs eaten. No, much better to make it easier for those with guns to hunt deer. Clearing up a few misconceptions about firearms in britain might be a good thing, too.

[Loud Whispers]

I'm not joking about bioweapons being used against pest animal populations.

Bioweapons or hunting, they're the only acceptable ways.

Deer is delicious. Hunting doesn't stop anyone from eating it.

I prefer more guns for this reason.

Do you know how many wolf attacks there were in North America in the last fifty years or so?

Nought. Zero. And they are not extinct.

Well good for you, you live in a big fucking massive continent in its own right where there's plenty of room for wolves to bugger off and leave humans alone. About 40 attacks have occurred by wolves in North America, and in the last 10 years one of them was fatal. Britain has had a worse history with wolves, so fuck off with your fucking wolfaboo wolfing american wolf lobby you! FUCK!
NO!
WOLVES!

[Mictlantecuhtli]

More guns? Yep, that's the solution. Make those who want guns be able to get them easier. I prefer a biological response to a biological problem. Wolves nowadays have been so persecuted by humans they stay away. Populations change attitudes over ages, even wolves.

Compromise.

The thing is, people here would treat the wolves like dogs. They'd try to pet them. They'd leave out food for them. Then they'd get hurt. Urban foxes are bad enough without having urban packs of wolves walking the streets.

Farmers would also be unhappy, having their flocks and sheepdogs eaten. No, much better to make it easier for those with guns to hunt deer. Clearing up a few misconceptions about firearms in britain might be a good thing, too.

Is there some sort of anti-wolf propaganda that I'm unaware of existing that led to this..?

Yeah, a real non-viable solution to a completely fucked ecosystem is to fuck it more until everything is dead and no longer a nuisance..

[TD1]

I'm not joking about bioweapons being used against pest animal populations.

Bioweapons or hunting, they're the only acceptable ways.

Deer is delicious. Hunting doesn't stop anyone from eating it.

I prefer more guns for this reason.

Do you know how many wolf attacks there were in North America in the last fifty years or so?

Nought. Zero. And they are not extinct.

Well good for you, you live in a big fucking massive continent in its own right where there's plenty of room for wolves to bugger off and leave humans alone. About 40 attacks have occurred by wolves in North America, and in the last 10 years one of them was fatal. Britain has had a worse history with wolves, so fuck off with your fucking wolfaboo wolfing american wolf lobby you! FUCK!
NO!
WOLVES!

Do you need time to cool down?

[Loud Whispers]

Is there some sort of anti-wolf propaganda that I'm unaware of existing that led to this..?

n France, historical records compiled by rural historian Jean-Marc Moriceau indicate that during the period 1362–1918, nearly 7,600 people were killed by wolves, of whom 4,600 were killed by non-rabid wolves.
lolololololololol
I'm just reading up about how awful wolves have been, much worse than I thought.

Do you need time to cool down?

Oi, don't take my steam. This is up on my list of passions including the hatred of katanas. Seriously, fuck wolves.

[MonkeyHead]

I'm not joking about bioweapons being used against pest animal populations.

Bioweapons or hunting, they're the only acceptable ways.

Deer is delicious. Hunting doesn't stop anyone from eating it.

I prefer more guns for this reason.

Do you know how many wolf attacks there were in North America in the last fifty years or so?

Nought. Zero. And they are not extinct.

Well good for you, you live in a big fucking massive continent in its own right where there's plenty of room for wolves to bugger off and leave humans alone. About 40 attacks have occurred by wolves in North America, and in the last 10 years one of them was fatal. Britain has had a worse history with wolves, so fuck off with your fucking wolfaboo wolfing american wolf lobby you! FUCK!
NO!
WOLVES!

100% with you on this. More hunting does not also need to mean more guns in the hands of those who don't need them, too.

[RedKing]

I'll second what MonkeyHead said. You can only really shoot one gun at a time (unless you're Sigourney Weaver and have a roll of duct tape). You don't need to up-arm the population in order to have effective hunting seasons. Work out a system where the meat is donated to soup kitchens and the like (you frequently find that on a small. local scale in the US). You're alleviating two problems at the same time and giving a moral purpose to the hunting.

[DeKaFu]

I'm probably just heavily biased in this issue. Deer are so adorable and just want to, like, eat berries and shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQOQdBLHrLk


Also, I like wolves.

[TD1]

Not saying hunting should be discouraged. But the inevitable conclusion is that more guns will lead to more people with less than desirable traits owning them, be that one or a thousand. And it only takes one to do a lot of damage.

Historically, sure. But there, according to wikipedia, have only been "few historical records or modern cases of wolf attacks in North America. In the half-century up to 2002, there were eight fatal attacks in Europe and Russia, none in North America, and more than 200 in south Asia."

So. In the half-century up to 2002, there have been 8 fatal attacks in Russia and Europe? Scale that down to Britain.

[Loud Whispers]

Also, I like wolves.

BLASPHEMY

So. In the half-century up to 2002, there have been 8 fatal attacks in Russia and Europe? Scale that down to Britain.

Few fatal attacks because most wolves are dead or low population. Scale that down to Britain, Britain is much more enclosed with little in the way of wild areas. Most of it is either city, or farmland or meadow.
Which means contact with humans will be frequent.
Kinda why they were exterminated in the first place.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Not saying hunting should be discouraged. But the inevitable conclusion is that more guns will lead to more people with less than desirable traits owning them, be that one or a thousand. And it only takes one to do a lot of damage.

Historically, sure. But there, according to wikipedia, have only been "few historical records or modern cases of wolf attacks in North America. In the half-century up to 2002, there were eight fatal attacks in Europe and Russia, none in North America, and more than 200 in south Asia."

So. In the half-century up to 2002, there have been 8 attacks in Russia and Europe? Scale that down to Britain.

You have to scale up attacks when the area is constrained like the UK, due to the lack of livable land for such creatures and the fact that nature travelers gravitate towards the areas where the animals will be living anyway. But, once again, the reason for this is because of the fuckedness of the area already. If the UK had any semblance of environmental protection the solution to overpopulation of deer would be to possibly re-introduce the natural predators that were poached and hunted into extinction. You can even hunt these animals periodically, go figure.

Kinda why they were exterminated in the first place.

Or because British people can't handle nuisances and think they know better than nature. Wolves are a benefit, all around. Humans can and will always be able to take preventative measures against aggressive animals. There are forest services and national parks for a reason, as well.

[GiglameshDespair]

More guns? Yep, that's the solution. Make those who want guns be able to get them easier. I prefer a biological response to a biological problem. Wolves nowadays have been so persecuted by humans they stay away. Populations change attitudes over ages, even wolves.

Compromise.

The thing is, people here would treat the wolves like dogs. They'd try to pet them. They'd leave out food for them. Then they'd get hurt. Urban foxes are bad enough without having urban packs of wolves walking the streets.

Farmers would also be unhappy, having their flocks and sheepdogs eaten. No, much better to make it easier for those with guns to hunt deer. Clearing up a few misconceptions about firearms in britain might be a good thing, too.

Is there some sort of anti-wolf propaganda that I'm unaware of existing that led to this..?

Yeah, a real non-viable solution to a completely fucked ecosystem is to fuck it more until everything is dead and no longer a nuisance..

Correct. What you suggest is not a viable solution. The viable solution is to reduce the thing fucking it up until it's not fucking it up anymore.  Don't misrepresent, please.

I'm not joking about bioweapons being used against pest animal populations.

Bioweapons or hunting, they're the only acceptable ways.

Deer is delicious. Hunting doesn't stop anyone from eating it.

I prefer more guns for this reason.

Do you know how many wolf attacks there were in North America in the last fifty years or so?

Nought. Zero. And they are not extinct.

Well good for you, you live in a big fucking massive continent in its own right where there's plenty of room for wolves to bugger off and leave humans alone. About 40 attacks have occurred by wolves in North America, and in the last 10 years one of them was fatal. Britain has had a worse history with wolves, so fuck off with your fucking wolfaboo wolfing american wolf lobby you! FUCK!
NO!
WOLVES!

100% with you on this. More hunting does not also need to mean more guns in the hands of those who don't need them, too.

Hell yeah. No wolves. They're cool, but I don't think we should have them.

Not saying hunting should be discouraged. But the inevitable conclusion is that more guns will lead to more people with less than desirable traits owning them, be that one or a thousand. And it only takes one to do a lot of damage.

Historically, sure. But there, according to wikipedia, have only been "few historical records or modern cases of wolf attacks in North America. In the half-century up to 2002, there were eight fatal attacks in Europe and Russia, none in North America, and more than 200 in south Asia."

So. In the half-century up to 2002, there have been 8 fatal attacks in Russia and Europe? Scale that down to Britain.

I thought you were saying earlier there had been no wolf attacks in NA in the last fifty years...?

[TD1]

It appears there have been a few in more recent years, but for half a century there weren't.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Correct. What you suggest is not a viable solution. The viable solution is to reduce the thing fucking it up until it's not fucking it up anymore.  Don't misrepresent, please.

I'll help you:

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140128-how-wolves-saved-a-famous-park

http://www.nps.gov/yell/naturescience/wolfrest.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_reintroduction

Once again, the reason you have an overpopulation of 'nuisance' deer is because you exterminated their natural predators for being 'nuisances'. It's only a nuisance if it's handled incorrectly, as in UK. The reintroduction programs linked have all been successful. Murdering all the wolves in your lands, in fact, has not been as successful, as evidenced by the 'nuisance' deer.