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[Mindmaker]

"Nuh-uh, muh sexualization double standard."
I find muscular guys gross and feel agiated when somebody tries to tell me this is my power fantasy.

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Wrinkly old men in wizard hats are.

Oh-la-la, madam, would you like to come see my... hat collection?

"My closet is absolutely magical~" 

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[Mr. Strange]

"Nuh-uh, muh sexualization double standard."
I find muscular guys gross and feel agiated when somebody tries to tell me this is my power fantasy.

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Wrinkly old men in wizard hats are.

Oh-la-la, madam, would you like to come see my... hat collection?

"My closet is absolutely magical~" 

What happened to being attracted to a happy medium and desiring the same for yourself? I mean, I get that this tripe is supposed to be fantasy, but people actually buy into it as a realistic expectation.

Do you dare to enter my... magical wardrobe?
_{Sorry, I had to...}

About prefered stereotypes, how do feminist explain those guys who like pettanko?

[Mindmaker]

I'm pretty sure the popular explanation is "closet pedophiles", I've also have heard the "you actually like guys" on occasion.
In general, not feminist specific.

[Frumple]

... I don't think most feminists really try to explain physical preference all that much. Cultural stereotypes and media bullshit is an issue and a problem, but personal tastes are still a fairly untroubled thing. Mind you, where the line between the two is, exactly, is a different question but the average feminist I've ran into is more concerned about unhealthy physical image (See: Media.) than any preference one sort of bosom or another.

Still, there's plenty of reasons, ranging from mildly creepy (YOUTH!) to fairly blasé (simple aesthetic preference with no underlying cause, attraction to other secondary or primary sexual characteristics, omnipreference of varying degrees). Liking the curves doesn't mean you dislike the straightaway, or really care which road you're motoring down. Maybe you're concerned more about where you park, I'unno.

[Mindmaker]

"Nuh-uh, muh sexualization double standard."
I find muscular guys gross and feel agiated when somebody tries to tell me this is my power fantasy.

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Wrinkly old men in wizard hats are.

Not Wizzard hats?

It's a kind of wizard. My favourite one.

@Frumple:
Which is why I added "in general".
Though if you are speaking of "feminists" I usually don't think of the quiet university feminist, publishing papers containing well thought out arguments (since those are rarely meant when saying "feminist"), but the loud, obnoxious one that can easily be included in the general populace as another agenda pushing group.
In which case it may still apply I guess.

[Tawa]

Funny this general concept came up.

So anyway, my standpoint on the matter is this:

I'm an advocate for women's "rights"-- that is, smashing the gender gaps. However, this also means I am annoyed at how men like myself have this horrible tendency to go for "macho" jobs like military service and construction, and this somehow bugs me more. Similarly, the Selective Service act is, as I see it, sexism by the government. However, what also annoys me is how whenever anything vaguely related to women's rights comes about, i.e. "First Female CEO of So-And-So Company" or "First Female Mayor of So-And-So City", the media makes a massive deal out of it-- news articles for two weeks straight, promises of how they'll "do better" than their male predecessors, etc. etc. Other than that, I find oversexualization of both genders insulting. Nobody normal has those muscles or those curves.

On a side note, I'm all for the use of "man" like this (look three paragraphs into the etymology section).

Sorry if this somehow seems insulting or something.

[Redzephyr01]

Women still get paid less than men for the same job

No, they aren't. The "wage gap" comes from men being more likely to have higher paying jobs. Besides, if they could pay women less for doing the same job as men, why would they hire men in the first place?

[Helgoland]

Besides, if they could pay women less for doing the same job as men, why would they hire men in the first place?

That's probably the best argument on any topic I've heard this week.

[scriver]

Besides, if they could pay women less for doing the same job as men, why would they hire men in the first place?

That's probably the best argument on any topic I've heard this week.

Are you serious?

[Mr. Strange]

Women still get paid less than men for the same job

No, they aren't. The "wage gap" comes from them doing different jobs. Besides, if they could pay women less for doing the same job as men, why would they hire men in the first place?

But they just found the perfect solution for wage gap! Setting minimum quotas for woman in middle and upper management positions so that those woman who have served longest in the company and have the best education and qualifications (and thus, highest wages) are promoted is the best way to narrow down the wage gap between those left behind. I'm so glad feminist have come up with this great idea...

Seriously, I doubt there is anyone here on B12 who doesn't support equality in all parts of society more than your average voter, but a lot of people claiming to speak in the name of "feminism" today are not doing that.

[nenjin]

So uh, what's the status of the last B12 Feminism Thread? Locked? Still open? 4th iteration?

Might be time to move this over to there.

[Dutchling]

Yeah, just don't allow Max and Vector on the same page

[Descan]

I'm alright with quotas, actually. I just see them in a certain light, i.e. a prevention from some asshole hiring manager to just hire all men, and ignore the women. :v

Frankly, I've seen a whole lot of people whining about how it's reverse sexism and "It's about merit, not genitals!", and not many numbers of how many guys actually lose out on a job to someone demonstrably inferior based on their sex. :I

[MaximumZero]

I wish there was some business or service were you could hire a midget to bash someone's face with a baseball bat and then tell them what a piece of crap they were.

I should start this business. [/slowpoke]

[Gunner-Chan]

I got a great idea! Me and MZ start the business and I club people with him!