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« Reply #31470 on: January 13, 2014, 10:55:33 am »

My cold/flu, which I had almost gotten better from, just got worse.
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« Reply #31471 on: January 13, 2014, 12:43:05 pm »

Quote from: My oh so joyous Social Studies book
The caste system and Hinduism have fostered a spirit of escape from reality and a resignation to evil and injustice that have hindered economic, political, and social progress in India for centuries

I think this is on the "hilariously racist" side of things. Either that or it's no longer considered taboo to pelt condescending insults at someone's culture in what should be a neutral and objective text.

I wonder what people would think if huge parts of Western culture were dismissed as an "escape from reality". Even if those things have done a lot of harm, there are better ways to condemn them.
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« Reply #31472 on: January 13, 2014, 12:48:49 pm »

Welcome to the U.S. education system.
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« Reply #31473 on: January 13, 2014, 12:49:02 pm »

...Made in Texas?
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« Reply #31474 on: January 13, 2014, 01:23:03 pm »

If clarifies, it is a Christian Social Studies book :P

* Iceblaster apoligizes for those insulted by his joke.

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« Reply #31475 on: January 13, 2014, 01:24:05 pm »

Quote from: My oh so joyous Social Studies book
The caste system and Hinduism have fostered a spirit of escape from reality and a resignation to evil and injustice that have hindered economic, political, and social progress in India for centuries

I think this is on the "hilariously racist" side of things. Either that or it's no longer considered taboo to pelt condescending insults at someone's culture in what should be a neutral and objective text.

I wonder what people would think if huge parts of Western culture were dismissed as an "escape from reality". Even if those things have done a lot of harm, there are better ways to condemn them.

Wow, who is the author of that book?
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« Reply #31476 on: January 13, 2014, 01:24:51 pm »

Quote from: My oh so joyous Social Studies book
The caste system and Hinduism have fostered a spirit of escape from reality and a resignation to evil and injustice that have hindered economic, political, and social progress in India for centuries

I think this is on the "hilariously racist" side of things. Either that or it's no longer considered taboo to pelt condescending insults at someone's culture in what should be a neutral and objective text.

I wonder what people would think if huge parts of Western culture were dismissed as an "escape from reality". Even if those things have done a lot of harm, there are better ways to condemn them.
Lots of people in America pursue escapism. Many people enjoy D&D primarily because you can be a wealthy, strong, valiant, attractive hero - and it's hard to get that in real life. Similarly, few people seem to enjoy games about bookkeeping and holding down a steady job and managing debt - because you do that IRL all the time. Sim City for example may be different, but I'm pretty sure most SC players aren't mayors of magical cities either.

I was talking with a coworker from Mexico a while back, and mentioned the Snowden thing. She felt that it didn't matter, because from her perspective of course the government is terrible and corrupt. Why would you expect something else? That sounds like resignation to evil and injustice. I can see a caste system doing that to people if the existing government does. Not sure why Hinduism comes into it.

As another example, in America, if you start out wealthy because your family was wealthy, you can probably stay wealthy. Just don't screw up. And even if you do screw up big time you should be able to pull out of it. Or you could be in one of the few high-paying jobs that doesn't involve over-leveraging yourself with, say, law school debt. But how many people get to be pro ball players or movie stars? This is a vanishingly small segment of the population. There are opportunities out there for relatively unskilled and worthless people to get high-paying positions, but these are probably snapped up quickly by the sons of rich men.

The lifestyle outcomes of a skilled tradesman or tech worker generally isn't going to be more than middle class. A mortgaged home, a new car with monthly payments, a big TV on credit - all of which ends up costing twice as much as the sticker price because of interest. If you keep steady you might make it, but one mistake can drive you into bankruptcy if you're not completely on top of it. Multiple generations of hardworking tradesmen, carefully husbanding their resources, handing down as much as possible, can result in a generation of well-off children. But will these children, who did not have to work hard for their wealth, be able to keep it? This is, I think, one of the only places where you can see mobility from middle class to upper class.

The lifestyle outcomes for an unskilled laborer or clerical worker are a tiny rented apartment, a beater of a used car, typical tech like computers and cell phones that are this culture's bread and circuses. Even if you don't make any mistakes, the occasional vagary of life (medical bills, a car repair) can drive you into bankruptcy and you're helpless to stop it. People probably die in debt, unable to escape poverty, and their children are no better off than they were. Unless the parent makes a lot of effort improving the plight of the child and gets him lodged firmly in the middle class through education, hard work, investment, and risk. But because of that risk, some will fail anyway. And in the face of the parent's failure, will the child be willing to give up his life to try again, for his child? Certainly sometimes, but not always.

All of which, is to say, our economic system fosters a spirit of defeatism and escape from reality seems very attractive.

TL;DR: Upward mobility is difficult but becomes easier as you rise in economic status. Downward mobility is the inverse, less likely as you rise. Coupled with the grand economic inequality in American society, an overwhelming majority have reason to feel defeatism.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2014, 01:29:36 pm by LeoLeonardoIII »
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« Reply #31477 on: January 13, 2014, 01:34:15 pm »

Well on that, I do agree the author is being a bit vague.

The while caste system and why Hinduism comes into gas to do with it believing in reincarnation which for some reason, despite it encouraging good deeds in an attempt to make oneself better(Budhism as well, however I prefer its teachings more) that encourages not being good or some shit ::)

Quote from: My oh so joyous Social Studies book
The caste system and Hinduism have fostered a spirit of escape from reality and a resignation to evil and injustice that have hindered economic, political, and social progress in India for centuries

I think this is on the "hilariously racist" side of things. Either that or it's no longer considered taboo to pelt condescending insults at someone's culture in what should be a neutral and objective text.

I wonder what people would think if huge parts of Western culture were dismissed as an "escape from reality". Even if those things have done a lot of harm, there are better ways to condemn them.

Wow, who is the author of that book?

Jerry Combee and George Thompson are credited as Authors.

The cosultants credited are John Reese, Ph.D, Michael Lowman, D.A, and Mike Smith, M.S.
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« Reply #31478 on: January 13, 2014, 02:08:54 pm »

Im not far away from smashing my head on my desk in frustration. Ive assembled another troup of my Trollbloods and started painting them, along with a heavy Warbeast. But for the life of me, I just cant get the damn skin on this Warbeast right.

http://privateerpress.com/files/products/71058_TrollMaulerWEB.jpg

Thats the thing when its finished, i've tried several times now to aplly different shades of blue to get around the same effect on my Model, but it_does_not_work. I tried to make a few different layers and then merge them with a blue wash, but now he looks like he has some kind of weird skin desease. AUGH.

I also tried to get a few opinions on my first models, just for some feedback, so im motivated to continue. But my friendcircle doesnt have any interest in the models and the thread i made on Dakkadakka vanished into the ether without any response. Painting is hard. Q.Q
I dunno about you, but washes are difficult for me to use. Successive washes seem to mostly just wash away the previous paint. Although I use acrylics instead of oils. I typically only wash with the primer coat because I know I'll paint over everything but the low areas the wash pools in, and I don't want to do a full prime because with multiple layers you lose detail.

For that figure I would wash black, paint with the darkest blue you see on his left temple, and drybrush upward in lightness until I'm at the near-white of his belly and palms.

His claws looks especially impressive to me. Perhaps he painted on a dull sealer coat over the body but a gloss sealer coat over certain bits?
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« Reply #31479 on: January 13, 2014, 02:15:23 pm »

...Made in Texas?

I believe the majority of the country's public school textbooks are, in fact, made in Texas.
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« Reply #31480 on: January 13, 2014, 02:16:54 pm »

Well yeah but a company will print what they're asked to because that's their business. The same company probably produces all kinds of books the management doesn't agree with.
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« Reply #31481 on: January 13, 2014, 02:24:12 pm »

Honestly, ALL RELIGION can be considered an escape from reality. Praying when in bad times to make the bad things go away is a form of escapism. Praying to get spiritual strength to lift up your spirit and take on problems is not.
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« Reply #31482 on: January 13, 2014, 02:29:20 pm »

ALL RELIGION
All religions do not feature these elements . . .
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« Reply #31483 on: January 13, 2014, 02:30:46 pm »

But they do all feature elaborate escapism, even if it is not in that exact format.
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« Reply #31484 on: January 13, 2014, 02:32:22 pm »

escapism ain't bad though, i staunchly refuse to face reality whenever possible and look how splendidly it's working out for me

i know how trends run here so i better point that out before someone associates these two more closely
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