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[MaximumZero]

My worst no-tip as a delivery driver is when it was during a heavy blizzard. There was so much snow on the road I couldn't get my car up the hill to the dude's house (it kept sliding back down), so I parked at the bottom and walked the rest of the way. When I got there, I was so covered with snow the dude made an audible gasp. I think I even mentioned I had to walk up the hill. Still no tip.

That is beyond awful. Vengeful person that I am, I probably would have snowblowered his door shut.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

What, no throat punch?

[Tellemurius]

I realize OP has now updated the thread title once again from my own posts and quirks

[Graknorke]

Is tipping really that big of a deal?
As far as I see it you pretty much only give a tip if you get complementary sexual favours or something. Or if you don't want to bother dealing with coins and just leave them.

[kaijyuu]

In America, many professions get vastly lower than minimum wage with the expectation that tips will cover most of their paycheck.

[Bauglir]

Probably depends. In the US, most people who work in food service as waiters or delivery are paid less than minimum wage, with the understanding that tips make up the difference. It's bullshit, but it makes tipping an expected behavior. 15% is what I've been told is the standard, but it's easier for me to go with 20% so that's what I do unless I get spectacular or intentionally shitty service.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Yes, American food service workers can sometimes be paid less than a fourth of minimum wage.

[Graknorke]

In America, many professions get vastly lower than minimum wage with the expectation that tips will cover most of their paycheck.

So what happens if the tips don't bring their earnings up to minimum wage? Does the employer have to pay the rest of what they should have?

[smirk]

Example: Here in Illinois, minimum wage is 8.25/hr. Most businesses with delivery pay their delivery drivers around  4.50/hr or 5/hr, with the expectation that they'll make up the rest in tips. On a bad night, depending on your area, you won't make minimum wage. And of course, there's also gas prices and vehicle maintenance..

In America, many professions get vastly lower than minimum wage with the expectation that tips will cover most of their paycheck.

So what happens if the tips don't bring their earnings up to minimum wage? Does the employer have to pay the rest of what they should have?

Nope. Them's just the breaks. Although some places will pay their drivers inside wages for the night if they have below a certain number of deliveries per hour.

Of course, culturally systematized tipping means that making below minimum doesn't often happen unless you're in a very slow or rural area. But it's still a shitty system all 'round.

[Hanslanda]

In America, many professions get vastly lower than minimum wage with the expectation that tips will cover most of their paycheck.

So what happens if the tips don't bring their earnings up to minimum wage? Does the employer have to pay the rest of what they should have?

No. The employee gets fucked out of being paid a decent wage. Tipping is important because some people LIVE off it. As Smirk said, it's a shitty system, but that's how it is. Not tipping doesn't make you some social revolutionary intent on writing the wrongs of the situation. It makes you an asshole that is screwing some poor single mother out of grocery money. I worked in a restaurant as a cook, and I can say that most people working for tips decidedly need the money really badly.

[lue]

Argument for illegality:

Minimum wage is the required amount of money one receives for services rendered every [period of time].

The system of "tips make up for it" requires tips to be part of the required amount. Thus, tips are required to exist.

Tips are paid by the customer. There are no laws in place requiring the customer to pay a tip. Since the existence of a tip is not enforced, it isn't required to exist.

Contradiction (tips are required ∧ tips are not required), thus the "tips make up for it" system is illogical. Thus, the current system does not fulfill the requirements of the law and is therefore illegal. QED.

How has this not been thrown out yet, when the argument is so simple? (sorry for the pseudo-logic talk here, and yeah it could use some touch-ups before being logically sound.)

[freeformschooler]

How has this not been thrown out yet, when the argument is so simple? (sorry for the pseudo-logic talk here, and yeah it could use some touch-ups before being logically sound.)

the answer:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[smirk]

So far as I know, it's because drivers are hired a bit differently than other employees. They're contract workers, paid a small hourly plus a small fee for each delivery they make. I'm not sure exactly how the laws contort to manage it, but something about that makes it legal. Unfortunately I have no cites to back that up, so I could be off. But I'm fairly sure.

NINJAEDIT: Yeah, what freeformschooler said.

[Tellemurius]

The minimum wage for tipped workers are normally 2-3 less than the normal minimum. For instance my mother works as a hair stylist, on a normal day (in another state ill get back to this) she can pull 25-30 in tips and upto 70 easily doubling her daily pay. Now her hourly wage is 8.50 or something less than me, heres a thing too that tips are considered an income and is taxed higher so tips are actually expected in our society and the government does acknowledge it. Now out in utah, this state doesn't tip for shits, i think i made a waitress confused by handing her 5 dollars and saying its yours. Now some still do tip but like bare minimum i think my mother had a 12 customer streak of 1 dollar, she was not happy for that.
Also for the higher taxes out here, i dunno why the companies out here have some shoddy ass payroll management, they cannot withheld the total taxes and instead just throw out a few bucks.  I make 2k a month and they are throwing 10 bucks to the state >______> and its been like that for all of the companies i worked at wtf.

[Xantalos]

How has this not been thrown out yet, when the argument is so simple? (sorry for the pseudo-logic talk here, and yeah it could use some touch-ups before being logically sound.)

the answer:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Indeed.