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[Xantalos]

Christian friend posted this on Facebook.  I'm not so much offended anymore by the Christian assertion that gay marriage is wrong, I've heard that argument a million times, used to believe in it myself, and thoroughly dismissed it (er... I'm pro gay marriage, 'cause I'm gay @_@ just making that clear).  Christians just don't phase me anymore.  What DOES offend me is when people say the gay rights movement isn't "legitimate" because it doesn't "properly compare" to the civil rights movement.  Bwuh?

And wow, this link is pretty much lining up every argument (plus some weird new ones) I've heard against gay marriage ._.

It says in there that marriage is a model of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ was evidently a pansexual and a pedophile.

[Bdthemag]

I don't know, even if marriage was primarily christian thing it isn't anymore. It's evolved to the point where it's very common in many cultures to get married, regardless of your religious affiliation. So I don't really see how that argument is justifiable.

[Putnam]

Nearly every culture ever has had something like marriage. The whole idea of marriage being Christian has been unjustifiable for longer than Christianity has existed.

[SalmonGod]

http://www.survivalinternational.org/articles/3282-rubber-boom

[kaijyuu]

"Corruption of Champions"

Aww, I like that game

Anyway, the main point you seem to dislike is that someone claimed it had anything to do with trans issues, which it quite obviously does not. Direct your anger at the people claiming such, not the game itself.

The rest of your complaints I won't deal with since they can be summed up as "fetishes I don't personally like." Remember that is it not real, and just entertainment, so save your moral indignation toward people who actually hurt real, existent individuals, not fake violence and harm in a video game.

* kaijyuu imagines he's treading a thin line here considering the content restrictions of this board, so, might want to move to PMs if anyone wants to discuss this further.

[i2amroy]

That's weird. My own (Christian) friends are like "Well, God said to be tolerating and to love our neighbors, so it's all cool," and that despite the fact that God kinda said gay is bad in the Old Testament, so are a lot of other stupid things like the hundreds of interesting but fiddly laws God gave to the Israelites...

Well that might be because Christians are people too and some feel that the bible is full of lovely stuff too, so why should it be ignored to the exclusive detriment of others?

It might also be due to the fact that quite a few verses of the bible tell us that we can ignore a bunch of those old laws, while a bunch of other verses tell you that you must follow them.

Really all-in-all the bible is very contradictory about most rules that it passes down. Even things like the 10 commandments suffer from this, when we have an explicit commandment that tells you "Thou shall not kill" and then we have thousands of other verses telling us things like "Whoever curses father or mother shall die".

[Xantalos]

That's weird. My own (Christian) friends are like "Well, God said to be tolerating and to love our neighbors, so it's all cool," and that despite the fact that God kinda said gay is bad in the Old Testament, so are a lot of other stupid things like the hundreds of interesting but fiddly laws God gave to the Israelites...

Well that might be because Christians are people too and some feel that the bible is full of lovely stuff too, so why should it be ignored to the exclusive detriment of others?

It might also be due to the fact that quite a few verses of the bible tell us that we can ignore a bunch of those old laws, while a bunch of other verses tell you that you must follow them.

Really all-in-all the bible is very contradictory about most rules that it passes down. Even things like the 10 commandments suffer from this, when we have an explicit commandment that tells you "Thou shall not kill" and then we have thousands of other verses telling us things like "Whoever curses father or mother shall die".

From what I understand you just don't listen to Leviticus because it damns you for wearing polyester.

[Bdthemag]

Why are people talking about Corruption of Champions, and more importantly why the fuck is anyone saying they publicly enjoy it? I mean, not that enjoying it is wrong. But you generally don't talk about how you enjoy a game in which the sole purpose is to fuck everything that moves with your twenty eight inch shlong on a forum like this.

[Solifuge]

Why are people talking about Corruption of Champions, and more importantly why the fuck is anyone saying they publicly enjoy it? I mean, not that enjoying it is wrong. But you generally don't talk about how you enjoy a game in which the sole purpose is to fuck everything that moves with your twenty eight inch shlong on a forum like this.

Spoiler: On Corruption of Champtions (click to show/hide)

-snip-

Smut is smut, and it's not something I usually expect to be particularly enlightened or insightful. I can disregard a lot of the fetish stuff that game entails too; the pornography market is big enough that I'm sure it's a challenge to stand out. However, I have a very low tolerance for rape, which is a current that permeates that game. And it's not rape as a horrible and traumatic thing either. It portrays rape as a just punishment. Rape as an act of revenge. Rape for fun.

Take a step back, and let that last one sink in.

I'm a fan of intimacy, up to and including sex, but... dude. It's supposed to be a mutual thing. A good experience you share with someone who is a willing participant. Never a weapon to embarrass or hurt someone else. Never something in which you exercise your power over another, against their will. That's twisting something awesome into something really and truly awful, and dehumanizing.

Yet that entire game is built around perpetrating increasingly reprehensible acts like that, lest they be done to you. Sex not as a good thing, but as adversarial and destructive. And worst of all, the author hides it behind this "The game is just sex-positive! Aren't you people sex-positive?" excuse. It's like he honestly buys into that "but it's not rape if it feels good!" bullshit.

And we can all agree that is bullshit, right?

So yeah. Smut is fine, sure. And outlandish smut-related fantasies about the aforementioned twenty-eight-inch schlongs and whatever can be fine, but... there are other things I don't feel it's healthy for people to fantasize about. Things like abuse and sexual exploitation. And that game just revels in them.

[penguinofhonor]

Fetishization definitely hurts real people.

[ChairmanPoo]

I wish I hadn't googled it to find out wtf you were talking about

[Loud Whispers]

I wish I hadn't googled it to find out wtf you were talking about

YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS
#RONPAUL2012

[Xantalos]

I'm currently trying to get EA to stop locking me out of the online features of my game so I can play the game more effectively.
It's going about as well as you'd expect.

[nenjin]

I wish I hadn't googled it to find out wtf you were talking about

I tried to save you. Alas, nothing can resist the siren call of soul-corrupting Google Image searches.

[ChairmanPoo]

I was able to use mind-wipe technology to prevent the worst of it. Some scarring will definitedly remain though