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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 3776762 times)

Max White

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18945 on: December 11, 2012, 10:16:21 pm »

Also, A devils advocate, so don't jump me.
That's ok. Like I said, I expect that the problem is with me being unable to empathize with such a position. It simply isn't something I could really force myself to do under conditions of payment, so I have trouble seeing how anybody else could.

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18946 on: December 11, 2012, 10:18:46 pm »

On consideration, I really don't feel like getting into an argument about this. My viewpoints are somewhat opposed to yours and I doubt either of us can be convinced, so I'm gonna bow out before a flame war erupts.

Yarr.  I shouldn't have even replied like I did.  This isn't the place for it.  It's hard not to when it's the subject that I'm specifically upset about today.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18947 on: December 11, 2012, 10:20:04 pm »

On consideration, I really don't feel like getting into an argument about this. My viewpoints are somewhat opposed to yours and I doubt either of us can be convinced, so I'm gonna bow out before a flame war erupts.

Yarr.  I shouldn't have even replied like I did.  This isn't the place for it.  It's hard not to when it's the subject that I'm specifically upset about today.
Understandable. This is the RAAAAGE thread, after all.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18948 on: December 11, 2012, 10:22:02 pm »

Also, A devils advocate, so don't jump me.
That's ok. Like I said, I expect that the problem is with me being unable to empathize with such a position. It simply isn't something I could really force myself to do under conditions of payment, so I have trouble seeing how anybody else could.
It's easier to see when you're a sociopath.
 
Anyway, it's pretty much the same thing that justifies massive human rights abuses by Wal-mart, or the Industrial era, or any of that wonderful stuff.
 
Not. My. Problem.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18949 on: December 11, 2012, 10:22:39 pm »

Misko:  It took me a while to find it, but all you needed was this image.

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18950 on: December 11, 2012, 10:23:25 pm »

That image is true.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18951 on: December 11, 2012, 10:26:10 pm »

I Stare at that, and all I'm think of is this one guy off to the side suddenly shouting "FREE ICE CREAM FOR 3 MINUTES!!!"
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18952 on: December 11, 2012, 10:29:17 pm »

Also, A devils advocate, so don't jump me.
That's ok. Like I said, I expect that the problem is with me being unable to empathize with such a position. It simply isn't something I could really force myself to do under conditions of payment, so I have trouble seeing how anybody else could.
If you give them the benefit of doubt, payment probably doesn't even crosses most of their minds. They're probably too full with things like duty, loyalty, and patriotism gone wrong.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18953 on: December 12, 2012, 12:15:07 am »

Not. My. Problem.

Also, I think there's a little more to it than this, usually.  Only sociopaths actually think this way, and most people aren't sociopaths.  As cynical as I am about the state of society, I think that there are a minority of truly bad people in the world, but social structures enable and have made those people really really good at taking advantage of common psychological quirks to occupy the majority of the world's positions of power.  When you look at things this way, they actually make a lot more sense.

More common than "Not my problem" is, I think, the Bystander Effect.  The more people involved in a situation, the more likely each person is to assume that someone else is going to take the lead in addressing it.  In the end, this amounts to nobody doing anything, and the realization not hitting until it's too late.  Example:  I haven't looked at statistics on it, but I'm pretty sure it's been widely observed that a lone witness to a crime or person in danger is incredibly likely to offer help.  On the other hand, when such things happen in front of a large public crowd (and proportional to the size of the crowd), it's most common for people to wait until the last second to take action, or not at all.

The effect is magnified in most situations, but especially when it comes to large scale social issues, when the first person to take action invites special responsibility or consequences on themselves.  Most people would be willing to do so if they knew that it was solely up to them... but they hold on to the hope that someone else will get the ball rolling first.

In my own workplace, I've talked to almost everybody.  Not a single person is happy with this job.  Everyone agrees we're treated like crap, in some cases to the extent that we're not even sure of the legality.  Everyone understands that if we took organized action that it could all be turned around pretty quickly.  But who's going to take the lead?  Whoever initiates action will be fired.  Period.  They couldn't fire everybody, but they would sure as hell make an example of someone.  In my new hire training 8 years ago, they even straight out told us that anybody involved in a unionization effort will be fired.  They'd probably be blacklisted from most future employment opportunities, too, since most employers contact previous employers and take their accounts very seriously when hiring.  So who's going to put their neck out, and sacrifice themselves to improve things for everybody?  I'm just as guilty as anybody.  I think the only difference between me and most people is my level of self-awareness about it.

I'm sure there are similar forces at work among police.  I know there are police who agree with the Occupy movement or are disgusted by the actions of corrupt officers who criminally abuse their power.  They'll even talk about it in interviews, but... when it comes to action, they'll buckle to pressure.  When they're in their riot gear, they'll do whatever keeps their job another day.  They can wait a little bit longer for someone else to say no first.  The guy who takes it upon himself to begin the shake-up of that institution from the inside will have to deal with some severe shit, I'm sure.
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Maybe people should love for the sake of loving, and not with all of these optimization conditions.

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18954 on: December 12, 2012, 12:21:06 am »

In those cases, the most satisfying thing to do is trick the most institution-loving person and make them a scapegoat to bear all the hate, and then your followers get moving and the rule of numbers applies from there.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18955 on: December 12, 2012, 12:22:37 am »

Crowds are awful easy to maipulate.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18956 on: December 12, 2012, 03:31:58 am »

Encountered a strange rage (strage?) today. A friend of mine was bragging about buying her coat for only $170. Instead of $300. I don't even. My coat cost me $20, and it's served me well for nigh upon three years now. The most expensive thing I own, my laptop, cost me less than that coat's full price. And then I see Wikipedia asking for $5. I see a fundraiser outside the library asking for money to send food to Syrians. I wonder, is the gilded name on the lapel worth it? Is the process of branding yourself with the name of another human being actually rewarding? I simply can't comprehend it.

I swear, this school is turning me into a communist.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18957 on: December 12, 2012, 04:02:31 am »

Not communist. Just altruistic.

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18958 on: December 12, 2012, 04:25:25 am »

Not really. I hate overpriced brands at least just as much and I am an altruist by no standards except for those of bizzaro-world.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: RAEG Like It's 1994! Edition
« Reply #18959 on: December 12, 2012, 04:35:23 am »

I may have slightly trolled and the end of this new comment...

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