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[Flying Dice]

That's most likely because when it comes to Bethesda and games (say it with me)

[nenjin]

I'll give Beth the benefit of the doubt. Shit, just look at DF. When you're planting shit in a giant world and it works according to a generalized system....exceptions happen. I'm not excusing all their bugs, but some of them I will, just as I would any other dev with a reasonably complex/huge game.

Now, their content framework and mechanics......those are deliberate choices I would like to violently shake someone at Bethesda over.

[Flying Dice]

I'll give Beth the benefit of the doubt. Shit, just look at DF. When you're planting shit in a giant world and it works according to a generalized system....exceptions happen. I'm not excusing all their bugs, but some of them I will, just as I would any other dev with a reasonably complex/huge game.

Now, their content framework and mechanics......those are deliberate choices I would like to violently shake someone at Bethesda over.

See, I was willing to do that for Oblivion. But at this point, if the exact same problems are still coming up, 2(3?) major releases later (all effectively the same game with different wallpaper and carpeting, to boot), it bugs me.

[nenjin]

I experienced so many fewer bugs in Skyrim than Oblivion. I remember Oblivion crashing on a regular basis, but with Skyrim it was intermittent if ever. I also ran into way fewer bugged quests in Oblivion. Anecdotal and all that, but still, I felt like Skyrim is most solid, technically-speaking, game they've ever put out by a good margin.

On the flip-side,to it's also the least interesting game in terms of mechanics.

[Skyrunner]

At least I can be a half-decent archer in Skyrim? o_O

[Aklyon]

At least I can be a half-decent archer in Skyrim? o_O

You can also be the summoner of utterly overused memes as an archer there.

[Angel Of Death]

My internet is cutting in and out more than a mass murderer in a baby factory. Stop getting lost, connection!

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It doesn't matter if Oblivion or Skyrim was more stable because Morrowind will always be better.

All hail Morrowind, Game Of The Year 0-13,750,000,000.

[Flying Dice]

At least I can be a half-decent archer in Skyrim? o_O

I will admit that the long range sniping was the most enjoyable part of the game for me. It was just so satisfying to hit a really difficult shot and see the body tumble off of something high up in the air.

I experienced so many fewer bugs in Skyrim than Oblivion. I remember Oblivion crashing on a regular basis, but with Skyrim it was intermittent if ever. I also ran into way fewer bugged quests in Oblivion. Anecdotal and all that, but still, I felt like Skyrim is most solid, technically-speaking, game they've ever put out by a good margin.

On the flip-side,to it's also the least interesting game in terms of mechanics.

S'true that it crashed a lot less often than Oblivion, but the non-gamebreaking issues were still there in full force, some old, and some new. The terrain-clipping in particular seems to have been a constant from Oblivion through FO3, FO:NV, and straight into Skyrim. Not to say that the games weren't fun, or that they didn't have good points, but at times it seemed as if Bethesda was at times ignoring the things that made the games interesting (for me, admittedly) in favor of making it more grindy and railroady.

Spoiler: somewhat offtopic rant (click to show/hide)

Getting away from the bugs, glitches, etc., the one thing that really struck me in a bad way about Skyrim was the quest-centric character invincibility. I've said this Luna-knows how many times, but if a player isn't competent enough to not endanger plot-centric NPCs or bother to make regular (or even hourly!) saves, then having to do something like choosing if they want to lose a few hours of progress or proceed with their game without being able to complete a quest because they (or crappy AI) got a crucial NPC killed, that's a good thing. It teaches people to be careful, and to save regularly. Hell, with the autosave, you often don't even need the latter. In either case, the specific thing was after I roughed up/threatened the people for the Thieves' Guild, I felt honestly bad about it, and I/my character decided that it wasn't how proper thieves should work. So I decided to kill all of the bastards. Twenty seconds later, I had discovered that most/all of them were invulnerable. That was the first thing I recall in the game that went beyond annoying to genuinely piss me off a bit, to discover that they were so greatly limiting player freedom because some people didn't have enough sense to save regularly and didn't want to face the consequences of not doing so.

[Scelly9]

My internet is cutting in and out more than a mass murderer in a baby factory.

That is terrifying.

[kaenneth]

Well, with the AI and physics bugs killing NPC's so often (loyalty cascades, and NPC's walking off cliffs) maybe it's not so mch to stop the player from klling them, and to keep them from dying offscreen, blocking the main quest without giving the player a chance.

[Euld]

Resident Evil 6 Premium edition will cost $1300.  No that's not a typo.  IT'S NOT A TYPO.  Good freaken' apgh;laksdf WHO SPENDS THAT MUCH ON A VIDEO GAME.

[Angel Of Death]

Resident Evil 6 Premium edition will cost $1300.  No that's not a typo.  IT'S NOT A TYPO.  Good freaken' apgh;laksdf WHO SPENDS THAT MUCH ON A VIDEO GAME.

Ok, that CANNOT be serious.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Resident Evil 6 Premium edition will cost $1300.  No that's not a typo.  IT'S NOT A TYPO.  Good freaken' apgh;laksdf WHO SPENDS THAT MUCH ON A VIDEO GAME.

That had better be a damn nice jacket.

I expect baby seal leather at the very least.

[Flying Dice]

That's certainly the most valid reason, but it doesn't explain why they decided to just slap invincibility on all quest-related NPCs instead of working on the issues that lead to uncontrollable NPC death, or even adding an option to turn it off, unless [see above].


@Euld: WHAT. THE. FUCK.