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[Leafsnail]

Her list is impossible to "follow", even if you wanted to, and still makes no sense otherwise. Her definition of rape-supporter is still crazy.

I think that's the idea - that lots of aspects of our culture contributes to the objectification of women in some way (I'd say linking that directly to rape is very dodgy though, and could be seen as trying to grab attention), and it's very difficult to avoid contributing to.  I don't think "You're bad if you fall foul of one of the points on this list" is actually the point.

It is still pretty crazy though.

[SalmonGod]

Reading the comments, it turns out that Rape-Supporter actually means "You're contributing (intentionally or not) to the culture that allows rape to happen" rather than "You support rape/ are literally a rapist".  Some of the points are still rather questionable, but it at least makes more sense when you bear that in mind.

Right.  So we don't actively support rape.  We're just unwittingly responsible for the existence of it. 

The way I read her, she seems to leave that for herself as a means of avoidant backpedaling when she can't defend the damning nature of her tone.  It doesn't really help.

And I know at least one rape victim who is totally into BDSM and... would probably rip into this person.  But then she would just be engaging in dominance/power gaining tactics by taking on aspects of masculinity.

sigh...

God knows I am often disgusted with my culture and there are lots of deeply ingrained things, some of which are recognized by writers like these, that influence people's perspectives and behaviors subconsciously to enable terrible things.  But I think it's naive to try and solve problems by simplifying all human behavior into this strict duality of male and female and explaining every bad behavior as having its origin in the male side...

I don't think "You're bad if you fall foul of one of the points on this list" is actually the point.

It is still pretty crazy though.

That's not my impression from reading her responses to comments.  She's tolerant of critical questions from females.  Coldly tolerant of them from males.  Feral towards men who directly disagree.  I haven't read the entire page, but that's my impression from reading several of the exchanges.

[Akura]

Almost no food in the house, and what food there is I can't make because whatever pots, pans, or whatever I need is either being used, or are being used to hold my parents' leftovers that they're not likely to ever eat. I should point out that they have a habit of making something, not eating it(or maybe eating just a few bites), then letting it sit on the stovetop as it rots, sometimes even for days.

I also saw a fresh tear in the fur right on the top of the head of my favorite dog. Whether she got it from a bite from one of the other dogs or a blunt impact(guess from where), I don't know.



@that list: I only skimmed it, didn't bother with the comments, but it looks like it was written by a man-hating feminazi. Actually, I read the first comment by someone with a guy's name, and her response(an even longer tirade than the article) really does give the impression she's a man-hater.

[Leafsnail]

The way I read her, she seems to leave that for herself as a means of avoidant backpedaling when she can't defend the damning nature of her tone.  It doesn't really help.

Do you have any evidence to support this interpretation (serious question, not sarcasm)?  If not, I'd prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt, since I feel a more charitable reading does mean that the article makes a lot more sense, even if it doesn't fit with the classic view of FEMINAZIS quite as easily.  I mean, I feel like the position can be clarified with...

If Alice campaigned or voted for Obama, or paid US taxes, or sent USO care packages, then yes, she supported US military presence in Afghanistan. That is to say, she lent support to even if she is not in favor of keeping troops in Afghanistan.

(emphasis hers)

[Vorthon]

That 'A man is a rape-supporter' list is so fucking screwed up that I nearly headdesked. (I would have, too, but it would have resulted in slamming a keyboard into my legs and getting a foreheads covered in computer key marks.)

[SalmonGod]

The way I read her, she seems to leave that for herself as a means of avoidant backpedaling when she can't defend the damning nature of her tone.  It doesn't really help.

Do you have any evidence to support this interpretation (serious question, not sarcasm)?

This quote in response to a very articulate and polite post

If Alice campaigned or voted for Obama, or paid US taxes, or sent USO care packages, then yes, she supported US military presence in Afghanistan. That is to say, she lent support to even if she is not in favor of keeping troops in Afghanistan.

demonstrating a softening of her message when it would have been harder for her to justify the aggression she employs against more acceptable targets, using exactly the same message

Here’s the difference between me and you boys: I don’t think any of the cruel or terrible shit which men engage in or defend is innate or biologically driven. I think you were taught to treat us in this way since you were kneehigh to a grasshopper, and that those behaviors and attitudes have been reinforced and encouraged daily, and the ruts worn so thick in your brains that you think it’s how you “really are.” I think that you’re in a society in which this stuff is treated as so normal that you have difficulty envisioning things any differently, and when you do get a glimpse of an alternate way of life it’s just easier to forget it and go back to watching yet another pretty dead woman’s corpse on CSI.

It reads to me like "It's such a shame, because I must admit you know how to act nice, but I'm afraid you really are partially responsible all that is wicked" vs "I don't think it's your fault that you're evil, but please grow the fuck up and stop trying to deny it."

[Vorthon]

What I want to know is: How the hell do male masochists fit into her 'every man is an evil, evil monster' worldview?

*Covers up user text while whistling.*

[warhammer651]

What I want to know is: How the hell do male masochists fit into her 'every man is an evil, evil monster' worldview?

*Covers up user text while whistling.*

You are the one tempting women from their obvious utopian ability and are thus contributing to the downfall of humanity.

[Bohandas]

The way I read her, she seems to leave that for herself as a means of avoidant backpedaling when she can't defend the damning nature of her tone.  It doesn't really help.

Do you have any evidence to support this interpretation (serious question, not sarcasm)?

This quote in response to a very articulate and polite post

If Alice campaigned or voted for Obama, or paid US taxes, or sent USO care packages, then yes, she supported US military presence in Afghanistan. That is to say, she lent support to even if she is not in favor of keeping troops in Afghanistan.

Personally, my take on the issue raised by the document in question, and indeed, most allegedly important issues, is as follows

[Bohandas]

The way I read her, she seems to leave that for herself as a means of avoidant backpedaling when she can't defend the damning nature of her tone.  It doesn't really help.

Do you have any evidence to support this interpretation (serious question, not sarcasm)?

This quote in response to a very articulate and polite post

If Alice campaigned or voted for Obama, or paid US taxes, or sent USO care packages, then yes, she supported US military presence in Afghanistan. That is to say, she lent support to even if she is not in favor of keeping troops in Afghanistan.

Personally, my take on the issue raised by the document in question, and indeed, most allegedly important issues, is as follows

Or maybe THIS

[Akura]

If I skip meals and get hungry enough, I start getting lightheaded and infuriated.

Which is mostly what happened. I managed to find something, which took care of the lightheadedness, but I'm still pissed.

[ChairmanPoo]

Party was a disappointment. Some people turned out to be not as interested in me as I thought. Plus some other completely different set of people were rude for no discernible reason

[Tellemurius]

Party was a disappointment. Some people turned out to be not as interested in me as I thought. Plus some other completely different set of people were rude for no discernible reason

Juggalos?


ok so my take on the "list"

He is anti-abortion.
He is pro-”choice” because he believes abortion access will make women more sexually available.

ok really thats what we think when you are pro choice huh. Also wouldn't you think that anti-abortion means that people would be a bit more conscience in sex?

Ok are we all that fucked up in the head? Not all of us have the godforsaken urges to jump on everything that has tits. Hell she even has a dichotomy in her porn argument:

He watches any pornography in which sexual acts are depicted as a struggle for power or domination, regardless of whether women are present.

As a 19 year old virgin with someone i love, i say look at the other side of the fucking wall or walk away from the idiots that you keep hanging about apparently. Wheres that damn beer, i need to chill :/
 

[Vector]

I see absolutely no issue with the post.

It is not to say that all pro-choice men are rape-supporters, simply those who are pro-choice for that reason are supporters of the rape culture, whether intentionally or not.

[Rose]

From what I understood of the article, if you find women attractive in any way, then you only see them as objects, and you are supporting rape culture, and you are an evil man.