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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread.
« Reply #3210 on: April 29, 2011, 12:30:11 am »

You can get 3<pi<4 with a slip of paper and a can of beans.

It's the funnest way to teach little kids about pi, and then have a snack afterwards.

Oh... huh.  Okay.  I'd usually do that with a dodecagon, but all right >_>
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« Reply #3211 on: April 29, 2011, 01:36:52 am »

Yeah.  Same when someone says 22/7 is pi, rather than an approximation for pi, or when someone says 1 + 1 = 1 in Z2, or anything like that.  It drives me completely bonkers.
Here's what drives me bonkers. The Calc I kids in the other Calculus class at my high school learned a new trick that they've been trying to show to every living being on the planet.



You see, you start out with a circle with a diameter of 1, boxed in by a square. The square thus has a perimeter of 4. If you take the corners in, the diameter is still 4. If you repeat that fractally and infinitely, eventually the polygon's shape will conform almost exactly to the circumference of the circle. The circumference of the circle is equal to pi, and thus pi is equal to 4, as the outer polygon still has a perimeter of 4.
I think this is what was called "squaring the circle" by my Calc professor. (He and another student would sometimes go off on massive tangents about higher-level mathematics, so I really had no clue what they were talking about most of the time.)

It doesn't work because there will always be spaces between the lines that define the corners-folded-in square and the circle - and you can't use calculus to define the square-diameter approaching that of the circle because there is no determined lower bound for the limit, i.e. it's not being approached from both sides, only one, and, iirc, limits and derivatives only work when it's being approached from both sides.

Not to mention it wreaks hell with the logic behind the area equation. After all, supposedly area=pi*r^2 for circles, and s^2 for squares.
So with our 1-diameter circle and defining pi as 4, we have:
area of circle = 4*.5*.5=1
and
area of square = 1^2=1.
However, it is quite obvious that the circle and the square don't have the same area, and also that the square's area isn't constant and thus can't be used to determine a constant that would be used for computations in both area and perimeter of objects without proper accomodations, which would probably involve a hell of a lot more calculus than I'm willing to do.

And this simple response turned into one rather long and probably underinformed math rant. Wow, I haven't done THAT since I convinced the guy that being charged $5.00 a month for a service for an entire year doesn't mean you get stiffed because of February's lack of day length.

So I guess this entire post is just a more long-and-drawn-out version of what everyone else is saying. >.<
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« Reply #3212 on: April 29, 2011, 01:40:41 am »

Squaring the circle is a classical problem in which one attempts to construct a square with area equal to that of a given circle.  It has nothing to do with the above fake proof.
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« Reply #3213 on: April 29, 2011, 03:59:37 am »

Ugh.. To early for math. You're making my head hurt!
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« Reply #3214 on: April 29, 2011, 04:04:22 am »

Ugh.. To early for math. You're making my head hurt!

Bah, what are you talking about?  It's NEVER too early for math :D

Also, it is 2 AM here and I am on a serious math-high <3 <3
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« Reply #3215 on: April 29, 2011, 04:20:53 am »

It's always to early for math.. Except between 22-02 when it's too late ;).
I suck a math, you see. Can't even rememher how to write up multiplication and division on paper any more, just whatever individual problems/calculations/whatever they're called in English (stuff like 5*5 and such). It's very aggravating, not being able to do basic shit I should know.
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« Reply #3216 on: April 29, 2011, 04:23:21 am »

Oh, man... yeah, I can see that that would be hard.  I do have issues with forgetting things (line integrals, I am looking straight at you), but I'm lucky enough to be able to pick it back up pretty quickly right now.
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« Reply #3217 on: April 29, 2011, 04:31:32 am »

Worst thing is, I know I'm going to have to take some basic-math-for-grown-ups class sooner or later, as it is rather important, but I'm too damn intellectually proud to be able to get myself to sign up. The only other option I can see is starting to hang around teacher schools so I can befriend and use an unsuspecting math teacher. I don't know which is worse.

If you would excuse me, I think I need to go and pity myself in the sad thread for some time now.
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« Reply #3218 on: April 29, 2011, 04:33:55 am »

I like some math, but dislike others.
Statistics are my favourite.

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« Reply #3219 on: April 29, 2011, 04:39:41 am »

I'm pretty much allergic to math, man.
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« Reply #3220 on: April 29, 2011, 04:51:33 am »

I like some math, but dislike others.
Statistics are my favourite.

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We are polar opposites =/

But, I actually managed to finish my homework!  I think it was all quite easy this time around.  It seems that my fundamental understanding of numerical relationships has greatly improved since the beginning of this semester <3
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« Reply #3221 on: April 29, 2011, 05:56:21 am »

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« Reply #3222 on: April 29, 2011, 07:43:17 am »

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« Reply #3223 on: April 29, 2011, 09:32:25 am »

I'm pretty much allergic to math, man.
Same here, just can't stand the stuff.

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« Reply #3224 on: April 29, 2011, 09:35:56 am »

Squaring the circle is a classical problem in which one attempts to construct a square with area equal to that of a given circle.  It has nothing to do with the above fake proof.
Oh, right. My bad.

Ugh.. To early for math. You're making my head hurt!
Sorry, but that's what happens when I'm up too late.
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