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[Ultimuh]

Well kids today are way too soft for their own good.
And their parents even worse.
So Disney is trying to adapt.. and the spiral turns another notch downwards.

[Ochita]

Sometimes the bad person needs to win.

[LordNagash]

Well kids today are way too soft for their own good.
And their parents even worse.
So Disney is trying to adapt.. and the spiral turns another notch downwards.

They're making exactly the same stuff they always have. Just because you're looking at what you watched as a kid through rose tinted nostalgia glasses doesn't mean their stories were any less clear cut 'good defeats evil, happily ever after' than they are now. I liked Aladdin as a kid but I'm not going to claim it was a soul searing piece exploring the rich depth of middle eastern history and the profound moral choices presented by someone tempted by being offered limitless power.

If you want an exploration of adult issues, go watch a film aimed at adults

[Retro]

Sometimes the bad person needs to win.

Yes.

But... Disney. Their films are for children.

[sonerohi]

Does anyone else even remember why Cruella DeVille was the bad person? I just remember that she was, and thats it.

[AntiAntiMatter]

Does anyone else even remember why Cruella DeVille was the bad person? I just remember that she was, and thats it.

Slaughtered puppies for fur coats.

[Ultimuh]

Sometimes the bad person needs to win.

Yes.

But... Disney. Their films are for children.

Sure it's for children.
But what kind of children?
Children as they are now, or as we were when we were kids?

[fqllve]

Sometimes the bad person needs to win.

But... Disney. Their films are for children.

Exactly. The villains have victories in the middle of the story to show what villains are capable of. But good always punishes them in the end because society punishes in real life. And we want to instill that in our children.

Does anyone else even remember why Cruella DeVille was the bad person? I just remember that she was, and thats it.

Because she wanted to make a coat out of puppies?

[Ochita]

Sometimes the bad person needs to win.

Yes.

But... Disney. Their films are for children.

And sometimes children need to be taught that the good guys don't always win.

[Kardos]

Sometimes the bad person needs to win.

Yes.

But... Disney. Their films are for children.

Sure it's for children.
But what kind of children?
Children as they are now, or as we were when we were kids?

Presumably if you need to ask Disney movies are still good for you, as you haven't changed.

[sonerohi]

Does anyone else even remember why Cruella DeVille was the bad person? I just remember that she was, and thats it.

Slaughtered puppies for fur coats.

Oh shit yes that is messed up.

[LordNagash]

Sometimes the bad person needs to win.

Yes.

But... Disney. Their films are for children.

And sometimes children need to be taught that the good guys don't always win.

A) No, they don't. Not children that age. What age children do you think these movies are aimed at? Learning that is way more a teenager/young adult thing to learn. That's not to say their can't be conflict and loss, but 'the good guys win' is the basis of the childhood experience.
B) That's not how Disney makes it's money, it's never how they've made their money. They know exactly what side their bread is buttered on, and they will continue doing exactly

[Retro]

Sometimes the bad person needs to win.

Yes.

But... Disney. Their films are for children.

Sure it's for children.
But what kind of children?
Children as they are now, or as we were when we were kids?

I... I'm sorry, I have no idea what you mean. I'm talking about children. Not 'people who were once children.' You don't keep being the target audience forever just because you grew up in it. And if that's not what you mean, well... I'm sorry, but that's one of the most confusing sentences I've come across.

Sometimes the bad person needs to win.

Yes.

But... Disney. Their films are for children.

And sometimes children need to be taught that the good guys don't always win.

Not in Disney films they don't. Kids learn that bad guys win just fine growing up in life. Spending an hour and a half letting a kid think the hero's going to win and then subverting it and letting them walk away depressed thinking about how much life sucks is just cruel. They're kids.

I mean, we're fucking talking about children's movies here. Why are you all looking for some kind of deep gray-moral ambiguity?

[fqllve]

Not in Disney films they don't. Kids learn that bad guys win just fine growing up in life. Spending an hour and a half letting a kid think the hero's going to win and then subverting it and letting them walk away depressed thinking about how much life sucks is just cruel. They're kids.

I mean, we're fucking talking about children's movies here. Why are you all looking for some kind of deep gray-moral ambiguity?

Hans Christian Andersen.

In fact, I have to go post in that soul crushing deaths thread.

[Ultimuh]

Hans Christian Andersen.

Great man, great childrens books.
Those classics trumps most of Disney have ever done.