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[Tawa]

I demand to only feature in the campy 2nd series or crappy live film where all the supernatural stuff is real.

Or to be a stoner who thinks he's a wizard.

Anyway, just saw The Hobbit: the Desolation of Smaug, and it was the most sucktacular Tolkien movie to date.

[Xantalos]

Details on your opinion?

[Tawa]

PROS

- Visuals were cool
- If it was standalone it could have been better (you know, made in a Lovecraft fan-fiction manner, i.e. "based on the works and setting of J. R. R. Tolkien" and not "based on a book called 'the habit' or 'the hobo' or something the writers read once or twice twenty years ago")
- Acting and stuff was masterful
- Acceptable story change: Bard was more than some random costar

CONS

- Tauriel, Legolas, romantic subplot
- Beorn scenes were shit, left out Gandalf being a smartass
- Azog, so much
- Barrel ride has ∞% more elves and orcs
- Gandalf and the Dol Guldur scenes
- The ending. It's not finished, it has nothing to do whatsoever with the book
- All the little plot changes. Bilbo fingering the ring every five seconds, no crashing elf parties, Bilbo sees the lake when he climbs the tree, most of the Bard shit that had nothing to do with remaking him into someone who isn't a random costar
- AAA IT'S RADAGAST KILL IT WITH FIRE
- I know I'm repeating myself, but Legolas, Tauriel, and the romantic subplot. If they'd cut that bullshit they might've had a watchable film.

Overall, it's good... except Jackson stripped the good stuff and glued 'interracial romance', LOADS OF SHITTY FILLER, and superfluous representation of women (Note: My sole beef here is that he injected a new character for the sole reason of having a prominent female character. I'm not trying to be sexist, it's just there was stuff they put in just to have it, severely decreasing quality, like the whole rest of the film.)

2 ★ / 5 ★ would not watch again

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

For someone who never read the books and personally felt they *shhhhhh* weren't very good! I quite enjoyed the movie! though I assume from reading a small amount of the original book that the movie seemed more light hearted than the actual book, show by the barrel ride sequence.

[Orange Wizard]

- Acceptable story change: Bard was more than some random costar

When I first read The Hobbit, I was WTFing for a month or so about that guy. Where did he come from? Why is he there? Why couldn't someone who didn't just randomly appear for no apparent reason have killed the dragon?

Honestly, it was like Tolkien said "Bollocks to it, I can't be buggered writing a proper ending, so here. Have this random dude who came out of my goddamn arse save the sodding day. Deus-bloody-ex machina, you sods."

[Tawa]

For someone who never read the books and personally felt they *shhhhhh* weren't very good! I quite enjoyed the movie! though I assume from reading a small amount of the original book that the movie seemed more light hearted than the actual book, show by the barrel ride sequence.

You have it backwards. The book is lighthearted and widely considered to be suitable as a story for kids. In contrast, the movies try to turn the Hobbit into a same-toned LOTR prequel. The original material has to be taken in full-- snippets won't sway an opinion.

I cannot trust one who watched a movie adaptation before reading the book.

[Yoink]

I want to be Shaggy. Dude was my childhood role model.

Anyway: I think the reason a lot of Bay12ers seem to have terrible parents may be because we have the emotion threads to vent in when they screw up. *shrug* Obviously some of them are really bad, but you probably wouldn't hear too much about that if you met their kids in meatspace.

Actual current rage: I don't know what the hell's wrong with my body, but I can't seem to fix my sleep patterns like I normally would. I'm sure I've posted about this in a few threads by now, but my usual method is to just force myself to go to bed at a certain time, then stay there for eight hours regardless of how much sleep I get.
It seems to have been working okay lately (with the exception of Saturday night where I went out instead of sleeping) but every morning I still wake up tired, after several hours of sleep and half the time end up just turning off my alarm and sleeping some more.

This morning my alarm woke me up at 7AM, but I didn't get out of bed 'til 1PM because I was exhausted. Damnit, body.

[Tawa]

I want to be Shaggy. Dude was my childhood role model.

* Tawarochir looks at photos of Yoink from photo thread

* Tawarochir examines Shaggy

You succeeded following your role model.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

For someone who never read the books and personally felt they *shhhhhh* weren't very good! I quite enjoyed the movie! though I assume from reading a small amount of the original book that the movie seemed more light hearted than the actual book, show by the barrel ride sequence.

You have it backwards. The book is lighthearted and widely considered to be suitable as a story for kids. In contrast, the movies try to turn the Hobbit into a same-toned LOTR prequel. The original material has to be taken in full-- snippets won't sway an opinion.

I cannot trust one who watched a movie adaptation before reading the book.

I'm not trying to sway your opinion, trust me, I enjoyed the movie, you enjoyed the books, I have no interest in swaying any opinions.
And on reflection it was probably LOTR that I was reading, not to hobbit, so yhea.

[Tawa]

Ohoho.

The Hobbit is much more entertaining than LOTR. The book is much more whimsical and involves much less long lore-explaining rambling between old men.

And what I meant by "swaying opinions" was that you reading snippets of the Hobbit wouldn't change your opinion on whether the book or films are better.

[Spehss _]

For someone who never read the books and personally felt they *shhhhhh* weren't very good! I quite enjoyed the movie! though I assume from reading a small amount of the original book that the movie seemed more light hearted than the actual book, show by the barrel ride sequence.

The book's barrel ride didn't include dwarfs fighting with orcs while white-water rafting in barrels...at least I'm fairly certain it didn't. Been a while since I read the Hobbit.

[hops]

I don't see how anyone would find The Hobbit book good unless they're really young children.
I mean, I'm pretty sure the only reason people like it is because it's associated with Lord of the Rings.

[nenjin]

I don't see how anyone would find The Hobbit book good unless they're really young children.
I mean, I'm pretty sure the only reason people like it is because it's associated with Lord of the Rings.

It's a good, wholesome adventure story, that's why. Hero's Journey, all that shit. I knew and liked the Hobbit long before LotR.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Yeah, I very much like the Hobbit (but not the movies, except the animated one back in ye olden day). It's powerfully atmospheric, and reminds me a lot of how action-adventure video games tend to set up their settings. Which probably explains why there was an action-adventure video game adaptation of the Hobbit.

[hops]

I don't see how anyone would find The Hobbit book good unless they're really young children.
I mean, I'm pretty sure the only reason people like it is because it's associated with Lord of the Rings.

It's a good, wholesome adventure story, that's why. Hero's Journey, all that shit. I knew and liked the Hobbit long before LotR.

I guess I just find it boring because it's not very magical in my perspective. I mean, I'd rather read Redwall.