Scriver, you're putting the cart before the horse, here, you haven't even read the links, that's the same thing that killed my arguments back in the women and infantry thread.
No. Some things are just to proven through years and years worth of studies. If you had claimed that ethnic minorities was not actually being discriminated against on the work market, I wouldn't have needed to look at them to know it was bullshit.
And it was shown in both links I posted that women make less because of child rearing, not sexism. Plus we factor in the fact that most women favor jobs with safety and benefits.
No, they did not. The video in the first link is just somebody putting forth their views without any actual facts presented to support it. Furthermore, even when relevant circumstances is taken into consideration, statistics still show that men earn more than women. There was one Swedish study from 2009, for example, that showed that even after weighing factors like education, age, occupation, etc, women still had smaller wage than men. The gap was smaller than otherwise, yes, but
the point is that they are still payed less than men.And this was the fourth most "equal" country in the world at the time, so yeah, other countries will have even worse numbers.
As for them having different jobs and thus different pay, that is considered in most studies. The comparison is between people with the same jobs and circumstances, not between a 50 year old male doctor and a just-out-of-college female librarian. The issue of trades that are considered traditionally "female" work has on average smaller wage than "male" jobs is a different topic.
First of all, men are payed more than women.
This, as it doesn't even allow leeway for the many many times it is otherwise. Aggravates me.
No. Not "many". Occasional "times it is otherwise". And it's a generalised statement, of course it's not going to cover every independent instance. That doesn't change that as a rule, women will earn less than men with the same job and of the same credentials. Sure, it's not as bad as it was just 20 years ago, but there's still a difference. Downplaying it or making excuses for it is just detrimental to the cause of achieving gender equality. Not to mention that the "oh, it's not so bad" argument has been a stock phrase for misogynists since, well, the dawn of feminism.