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[kaijyuu]

Nasty people are people too. They just need to be unable to hurt anyone else anymore... and if the situation requires it, that might involve killing them. That's limited to self defense and stuff though; if they're in jail, and not a threat to other prisoners/guards, then there's no reason to kill them.

[Mr Space Cat]

Gay boy gets murdered by classmate, people try to justify his killing.
Fucking hell America.

the 2008 murder of Lawrence ("Larry") King, a 15-year-old gay student who asked then-14-year-old Brandon McInerney to be his Valentine. The day after, McInerney brought a gun to school and shot King twice in the head in a computer lab. King died two days later.

Obviously the murderer needs to learn to take a joke, ffs. Get a sense of humour, laugh off the whole valentine thing, go on with life...y'know, rather than murdering a dude in sight of everyone. Just, srsly. I cannot compute the logic of the murderer for doing something so extreme as that. There is no reasonable logic for that. The support of the murderer is also pretty lame. There's just so much close-mindedness that I can't even, I just can not even.

Also, the murderer's artwork sucks. Not only is it incredibly flat and lacking in any variation of tones, but he clearly has little experience with depicting form or proportion. That skull is awful, and the eagle is hardly better. [/comicallymissingthepoint]

[Neonivek]

This isn't about "Deserve" this is about blame.

Which are not the same thing.

No one deserves to be killed, yet it can be their own fault for being killed. (Which yes I understand it is "No one deserves to be killed, but they can deserve it" but I still stand that there is a difference)

[misko27]

Nasty people are people too. They just need to be unable to hurt anyone else anymore... and if the situation requires it, that might involve killing them. That's limited to self defense and stuff though; if they're in jail, and not a threat to other prisoners/guards, then there's no reason to kill them.

I'm not debating whether they can be changed, anyone can, and I am against the death penalty. I'm saying it is entirely possible to deserve death. As a whole, taking the damage that some people have done throughout their careers as terrible humans, some have amassed such a list of misdeeds, are themselves so full of corruption and envy and hate, that they deserve to die. If people deserve punishments at all, people can deserve death.


I'm not saying it's moral to kill someone, but you can deserve to be killed.

[Mr Space Cat]

Ye gods, watching the two videos of the jurors and teacher and there is just so much stupid.

"He's so young, how can I put him away for life sentence when he's just a kid?"

Are you kidding me lady, he bloody took a bloody gun to school and shot a fellow student in the head in public with no remorse or consideration of the fact he's not only breaking various laws, but probably impacting everyone around him who freakin' saw it. for something as simple as the other kid being gay/transsexual.

So much stupid I could feel my braincells committing suicide 1 by 1 just from watching those 2 videos. Gah, rage.

[Graknorke]

Nasty people are people too. They just need to be unable to hurt anyone else anymore... and if the situation requires it, that might involve killing them. That's limited to self defense and stuff though; if they're in jail, and not a threat to other prisoners/guards, then there's no reason to kill them.

I'm not debating whether they can be changed, anyone can, and I am against the death penalty. I'm saying it is entirely possible to deserve death. As a whole, taking the damage that some people have done throughout their careers as terrible humans, some have amassed such a list of misdeeds, are themselves so full of corruption and envy and hate, that they deserve to die. If people deserve punishments at all, people can deserve death.


I'm not saying it's moral to kill someone, but you can deserve to be killed.

I would still disagree.
It might be a good idea to kill someone. It might be the best possible course of action to kill someone. But they still don't deserve it.

[Neonivek]

"He's so young, how can I put him away for life sentence when he's just a kid?"

Are you kidding me lady

Ehhh I'd give her a break on this point. Sure he may be heartless but he is still just a kid (I didn't catch how young...) and as such a lot of people believe children deserves protection from even the harshest of crime especially in light that they can essentially "Life horrible lives their entire lives" for things they do as a child that they CAN be taught out of.

I mean, disagree... disagree strongly. I don't think this is "spouting stupid" though.

Then again... how old is this kid? I might need to check again. Since if it is 12 or lower...

*Checks*

14, well that is pretty young. (since 16 is my transition age between young and old teen.) Though old enough for ambiguity.

[lue]

Ye gods, watching the two videos of the jurors and teacher and there is just so much stupid.

"He's so young, how can I put him away for life sentence when he's just a kid?"

Are you kidding me lady, he bloody took a bloody gun to school and shot a fellow student in the head in public with no remorse or consideration of the fact he's not only breaking various laws, but probably impacting everyone around him who freakin' saw it. for something as simple as the other kid being gay/transsexual.

So much stupid I could feel my braincells committing suicide 1 by 1 just from watching those 2 videos. Gah, rage.

My response to her would be "at least you aren't deciding to approve the death penalty." Life is a bit harsh for someone who's not even 18 yet, but he should definitely be locked up for a while. (I say ≈15-20 years)

[Descan]

Like the kid who died wasn't young.

[misko27]

It is really one of the fundamental ideological points, of the type that don't get resolved. Yes you can help people. But if they were killed, in some random accident, the person who died would deserve it. A person can commit nightmarish acts, and not deserve it? Would, say, someone who murdered a entire family deserve it? Not, as I repeat, meaning they can't be redeemed, but at that moment, when they gloat in their slaughter, ripping the life from the bodies in front of them, taunting the one or two survivors in their last moments, does that person that exists in that moment deserve life?

[IronTomato]

Meh. In my opinion, some people, not many, do deserve to die. Mostly the kind of people who do that kind of thing right there.

I mean, some kid asks you to be his Valentine, gay or not, (Which is a COMPLIMENT for God's sakes) and your response to that is to brutally kill him in front of everyone? For no reason other than you couldn't bear hearing a gay person saying anything remotely sexual to you, because you're just that hateful (The swastikas and crossed out things like the word "JEW" his notebook kind of say this)?

And the sexual aggressiveness thing the teacher said? Bullshit. If a girl had asked him the same thing, what do you think he'd have done? Shot her in the head? I think not. And if, for some reason, he did, would that retard of a teacher side with the killer still? I don't think so. That kid's going to Hell when his time's up.

IronTomato is no longer enraged.

Ugh... I'd rant some more, but that's probably enough.

[lue]

It's for this reason that I've come to the conclusion that "should this person die?" can only ever be decided on a case-by-case basis. It's hard enough figuring out if this kid should die, let alone develop rules for all murderers. It's precisely why we have juries to ultimately decide these things, instead of going by the exact letter of the law at all times.

[Knight of Fools]

There's a point where you can be reasonably sure someone is going to continue being a threat to others, no matter what you do with them. Those are the kind of people that should get the death sentence. It's definitely something that should be case-by-case, though.

And I don't see this kid even getting a life sentence unless he's tried as an adult. Judges and juries are pretty soft on kids.

[kaijyuu]

If people deserve punishments at all, people can deserve death.

Here's where we disagree then. I don't believe people deserve punishments of any sort.

I only see value in punishments so long as they work as deterrents, and even then they're, at best, a necessary evil.

[Tiruin]

...We're seriously debating on who deserves death or not..

...

>_>

Deny a person's right to life, and you have denied much more than you can ever debate on. Sexuality? Mostly just a label which holds a lot of labels on it-...though I wonder why we're debating deserving death in general now.

But deserving death, in that context?

<_<

Goodness. I can't even speak or type anything on this matter. Nobody deserves to die. By the case at hand? That's debatable. But to inherently deserve death?!

...just..why. Why, people. Why debate this. Why debate this on that context when the context is the same. Denial to live.

Edit: ...The article looks like its lacking quite a lot. It comes off more than a report than a detailed story about what happened..but the idea is still the same.

Why kill someone over such a trivial act like that.