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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 3748109 times)

Loud Whispers

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15915 on: October 03, 2012, 03:49:43 pm »

Your bus world is alien to me. I'm still having trouble visualizing this situation, especially since you seem to be portraying yourself as something /other/ than an ass who slows down efficient loading and unloading.
What this sounds like (to me):
1. I stop in front of the doors.
2. I stare at the people closest to me for an awkwardly long time.
3. I WASTE YOU TIME MWA

Sometimes you'll have someone slip through the lineish and board first to get a seat in back without pushing past everyone in the aisle, but I've never seen them push, they really just sort of walk towards the bus instead of waiting for people to load, and then you'll have the people who will insist you get on first because they DON'T want to have to push past you and they are getting off two stops down...

I don't know, I don't feel like those are the situations you are describing.
And that just sounds completely alien to me o-o

What happens is:
London buses. They have a single door entry point that 3-5 people can surround, each giving themselves equal claim to FIRST. The exit doors are double doors. There are 2 emergency exits, minimum. The windows on the backs can also be deployed as emergency exits. There are at least 2 fire extinguishers on board at all times, a CO2 and a water one.
As a result, it's a great deal efficient at loading/unloading passengers with very little communication needed - especially with the Oystertm system. Speedy.
Thus, my quotidienne bus protocol goes as follows:
1. Bus approaching. If relevant bus, go to step 2. Otherwise step back for commuters to easy-reach the bus like the wind-fly.
2. Assess the velocity of the bus. Hail it. This automatically guarantees you a good chance of being first on - bus drivers are nice like that, and if you spotted the bus earliest, by this point most people will still be sitting down.
       
  • Fun fact, London buses usually stop in front of the actual bus stop sign - not the stand/seats, to allow easiest embarking/disembarking for passengers.

3. Secure your place by the front door. You have to be quick as to reach there uncontested - if the bus over-reached you, simply adjust for its velocity with a few paces (if it isn't just stopping in front of you).
4. Check for any would be contenders. Tense muscles, one foot hovering towards the door - instant tip off that they mean to over take you (a common occurrence if this person is coming in from the sides), but what matters is who reaches the oyster first. For this reason whilst a left seeking position is highly advantageous - it's also highly rude, only used by those who would put their time ahead of others. The center and right angles allow you to quickly swipe the card and move on, both of which follow the rules of right of way, with priority to the center.
If the person(s) in question are standing back, feet are apart or are relaxed - exchange courtesies and allow them on first. This usually takes the form of London courtesies, with both parties moving forwards at the same time (somehow) whilst letting the other on first, often with intricate hand gestures, facial expressions and language. However, London courtesies are often not used on the bus (those are confined to low traffic underground trains), as fellow commuters behind the vanguard honour the courtesies, and allow all the parties involved on before themselves, uncontested.
It is death to break a Gentleman's agreement.
5. Head up to the chairs to easy crowd density/wait for stragglers to get off (very rare)/Head to the back of the lower deck or stand in the wheelchair/buggy area, as they are the most unused/last option for most to choose (again, better for the whole).
6. When getting off, you have right of way. A polite excuse me to those who do not move, those on the top deck should wait for those on the lower deck to leave first, never keep people waiting on the stairs, leave before those who would slow down the process UNLESS they are already leaving - in which case, politely wait (such as for those with leg injuries).

And you're done. With such efficiency it's possible to get 20-50 people on and off a bus in under a minute, without any two people ever even going close within physical contact. Though that's only if all of them are skilled commuters.

Though I also take into account worthiness - if I stood outside the stand in the rain (I love the rain, but still), I'm getting that cosy seat in the back first (only works for petrol engine buses - really warrrrrm). If not, normal protocol / allow those who've waited longer on.

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Only works if you can outwalk the average Londoner's brisk pace.
No one has time to waste. There's a reason why the front seats are the priority ones.

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15916 on: October 03, 2012, 04:08:07 pm »

Here's how it works here. (I'll do this at a station instead of a normal stop, but a normal stop with enough people works the same way.)

Bus approaches. Some people stand in line, separate when door opens to make room for those departing through front doors. Line moves onto bus. As the line gets smaller, those sitting or still lounging around will move to the line, minimizing the amount of "standing in line" effort they need to make. They board bus, wave their card at it as they get on and either move down to find a seat, or (rarely) decide they are going to stand in the aisle because they don't want to get any further from the front doors. (These are the worst dicks). Then, normal people will fill in while, keeping everyone equally spaced, until the bus is somewhat full. The secondary dicks will ruin this by refusing to move pas the /back/ door. They will block all other passengers from passing in their desire to move no further from the exit, unless the other passengers are willing to squeeze through them, which very few passengers are willing to do. People will continue on until the aisles are full, with most of the bus being like sardines, except for the back which might even have a few seats open.

If someone is paying in cash, they will stand aside to let cardwavers pass while they count out their change.

There are really not that many dicks around, probably less than 1 in 40 passengers. And a lot of times, it's not a big deal because there aren't enough people on the bus. But a crowded bus will probably have at least one, and it really only takes one, since so few people are willing to push pass others to get somewhere they don't really want to go.

No one has time to waste. There's a reason why the front seats are the priority ones.
Same exact problem here, I think - The folks want prime access to the rear exit door, so they stand in the middle of the aisle in the middle to insure they get it. Those who want priority front egress also stand, because there are no seats towards the very front of the bus, and then come the elderly/disabled areas. And anyway, if they sat down in a seat they would have to stand up again to get off the bus, so they certainly aren't going to do THAT when they could just stand in the aisle.

This creates two choke points, causing the people with "no time to waste" to end up running several minutes later than if they weren't acting like a dick.

And a lot of them are idiots who just think "hurr I will stand by door", but if you ask them to move because they are blocking people they will seem to snap out of it like a haze and slowly, slowly move towards the back of the bus.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15917 on: October 03, 2012, 04:09:54 pm »

I'm very pushy when it comes to buses, mainly because people around here are dicks.
Some old bag pushed in front of me on the bus, this was after I'd gotten off of my bench to let her sit down, the bench was wet prior to me sitting on it mind, and then, not only did she shove in front of me on the bus, she took up 3 seats with all her bags.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15918 on: October 03, 2012, 04:11:08 pm »

* GlyphGryph would rage.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15919 on: October 03, 2012, 04:12:55 pm »

You know what the problem with people scheduling their vacation after an important deadline is? The problem is that they blew the fucking deadline, and took just enough time to dump this shit in my lap, and then take their god damn vacation.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15920 on: October 03, 2012, 04:14:27 pm »

He's from Britain. They do all sorts of wacky things there ;)
indeed we are, old chap.
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But, of course you weren't mocking the tea were you?

It'd be a shame if you were to wake up one dark dawn to see a night bus outside your window...

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15921 on: October 03, 2012, 04:23:44 pm »

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15922 on: October 03, 2012, 04:34:48 pm »

Little children. Little children made me rage today. Or should I say a child. I was at the Salvation Army thrift store in town, working to rack up hours towards my co-op credit, when a child finds one of those electronic LCD game thingies in the toy section. He turns it on, and starts pressing buttons. He manages to evade his mother for at least a good ten minutes. A good ten minutes where I had to listen to and infernal beeping noise over and over again. I'm surprised I didn't flip the fuck out. And seeing as I was putting glassware up on the shelves, it was a good thing I didn't flip.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15923 on: October 03, 2012, 04:37:53 pm »

I wasn't. I learned to have a bit of respect for other people from a very young age.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15924 on: October 03, 2012, 04:42:33 pm »

hang on, this is coffee!
Then all is at peace.

yes, well I can guarantee unless you had no voicebox, you'll have cried and stressed your parents out to no end.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15925 on: October 03, 2012, 04:43:24 pm »

I once hid in the mannequin box at the department store, having grabbed a sweater and put it on and then posed, motionless.

Watching my mother and grandmother scurry around, worried, getting security to help, it was all absolutely hilarious to me.

But thank goodness I did not make annoying sounds.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15926 on: October 03, 2012, 04:51:38 pm »

I wasn't. I learned to have a bit of respect for other people from a very young age.
yes, well I can guarantee unless you had no voicebox, you'll have cried and stressed your parents out to no end.

what I did, though, was I'd be playing outside, my parents would look away for about 15 seconds, and I'd be gone. they'd end up getting all the neighbours to help search for me.
Definitely as a baby and such, but I didn't walk into stores and run around making noise and screaming.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15927 on: October 03, 2012, 04:52:23 pm »

Blarg, I just deleted an important directory off my work fileserver because windows explorer doesn't seem to work as fast as my fingers, and the recycling bin doesn't work on the network drives.

I've got a backup from yesterday(otherwise I'd fire my own ass), but all the changes I made today are gone.   >:(

Edit:  Ah, not so bad actually.  I had all the files I had made changes too open in text editors, so I was able to resave them after restoring everything else.  So now my rage is only about an hour of wasted time.  :)
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15928 on: October 03, 2012, 05:36:45 pm »

Wait, who didn't play with the little Game and Watch toys (and similar) in thrift stores as a kid?
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: Porkalypse Edition
« Reply #15929 on: October 03, 2012, 11:12:16 pm »

That looks to me more like an ad for why corporal punishment should be allowed again :P

If I'd done that when I was a child, my parents would have smacked me upside the head so hard I'd be seeing into next tuesday. And lo and behold, I grew up to be a polite, functional member of society.

My father is a firm believer in non-corporal punishment and my mother cried the one time she ever spanked me. I've turned out fine so far, too.
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