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[Grakelin]

What did people do before social security and unemployment benefits, I wonder.

Lived in the streets and/or were subjected to 16 hour work days laboring for a wealthy ruler for the equivalent of five cents a day?

[andrea]

die of starvation, beg , steal.
England also had workhouses, in which they put the poor people for the crime of being poor and in which they were basically enslaved, in poor health conditions, their families separated.

[Grakelin]

People in Africa and Asia don't have social security either, so if you REALLY have to ask, just look over there.

inb4somebodytriestoaccusemeofbeingracisttoafricansnasians

[andrea]

really, a bit of social security is not bad.

[fenrif]

Similarly, if they make you an offer that is worth less than the value of what you can open them, you can always go get a job somewhere else.

In fantasy land, maybe.

Even if you don't get a job somewhere else, you can always negotiate your wage higher with the same employer.

Lol, please tell me sir, what magical fairytail land do you hail from?

[Grakelin]

I don't think he's had experience trying to find work in the current economy.

Not fantasyland, though, just roll a natural d20 on your persuasion check.

[fenrif]

I don't think he's had experience trying to find work in the current economy.

Not fantasyland, though, just roll a natural d20 on your persuasion check.

See I try that, and they're all like "stop playing with dice and get back to work."

Ot at least they would if I had a job...

[Muz]

die of starvation, beg , steal.
England also had workhouses, in which they put the poor people for the crime of being poor and in which they were basically enslaved, in poor health conditions, their families separated.

I heard many of them just got sent to Australia.

[Grakelin]

This is why we can't cut back on funding to the Space Program. We need to find more places to send our undesirables.

[Chutney]

Nikov doesn't seem to think stealing is earning anything.
Well, Nikov, do you know how much effort I put into breaking into houses? It takes at least a few days of scoping out the target, making sure there are valuables, seeing when people are in/out, checking out what pets they own or if they have security systems. Then you have to sneak in, find all the valuables and carry them out without anyone noticing. Then you have to find some place to pawn them off, often for far less than they are actually worth (unless you just grabbed money). That's a few days and maybe only a couple of hundred of dollars.
I'd say I very well earned every penny.

What did people do before social security and unemployment benefits, I wonder.

Good question, I assume they just pulled themselves up by the bootstraps.

You seem to believe that the rich exploit the poor.

You do not seem to consider that the poor agree to work for their wage.

Yes, I would agree that a family too poor to support itself in any way other than to be exploited is making the choice here. Just because they're forced into a situation doesn't mean they have to choose to go along with it!

[Nikov]

I'm just going to take the opinion of a burglar as the opinion of a burglar and ignore you.

[Chutney]

It's okay, I only burgle from people who haven't earned what they own. Like people who leech off the government with welfare checks.
It's not like I'm stealing from someone who earned their money, like Paris Hilton.

[smigenboger]

There may be a better risk/reward benefit if you steal from Paris. If she's barely conscious on a regular basis, you could simply walk out with expensive things at a party or something.

[Chutney]

I'm just going to take the opinion of a burglar as the opinion of a burglar and ignore you.

It's this burglar's opinion that Nikov's views as stated in this thread are all very good views, and I wholeheartedly agree with what he has to say. Except the part where he think's that something is inherently wrong just because of the background of the person. That's kind of dumb.

There may be a better risk/reward benefit if you steal from Paris. If she's barely conscious on a regular basis, you could simply walk out with expensive things at a party or something.

But the intelligent people around her have hired bodyguards/pay attention to this stuff for her. She has minions,and that makes a job difficult.

[smigenboger]

If you go it alone, you'll have the Conservation of Ninjitsu on your side, depending on how many guards she has. If there's only a couple, it's not worth the effort.