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This version of LNP is out of date

Yes and it makes me sad :(
- 82 (40%)
Yes and it makes me mad/angry/frusrated >:(
- 29 (14.1%)
Yes and it's okay because there are other versions now :)
- 94 (45.9%)

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LucasUP

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Re: NEW! Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2010, 05:01:27 pm »

Yeah I noticed this. Actually with mayday theres like 6 points leftover too.
I'll make it use up more points, but I think its good that it lets you go-over everything in case you want to change a thing or two.
I assume if the points are COMPLETELY used up it skips the screen...?
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Re: NEW! Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2010, 05:36:39 pm »

Yeah I noticed this. Actually with mayday theres like 6 points leftover too.
I'll make it use up more points, but I think its good that it lets you go-over everything in case you want to change a thing or two.
I assume if the points are COMPLETELY used up it skips the screen...?

Nope. You can still customise it even if all the points are gone.
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Re: NEW! Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2010, 11:25:36 pm »

add a small description for what each of these do to the OP

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Phoebus' Graphic Set v2.1.3 (w/ larger pillar graphics)
+ Dwarf Therapist v0.5.4 +0.31.08 support
+ Stonesense Isometric Visualizer Slate RC2 +0.31.08 support
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Re: NEW! Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2010, 01:14:14 am »

Done, and more! Good idea

Next version (2.5?)

Will have something like the following, once DF Config has a good build and the tileset changer is working better.

+DF Vanilla (except for the below embarks, and init changes)
+DF Config with settings, mods (aquifers/noexotic/fastdwarfs), laptop keybinds
and TILESET CHANGER with Phoebus, Mayday, Ironhand, Goldplated and more included! (ability to add more!)
+Stonesense
+Therapist
+DF Hack
+Embark profiles
(could use more of these!)
Thinking of:
+Quickfort (may be too confusing for newbs, but definitely a must for the lazy)
+SUGGESTIONS! (Many of you want more utilities but haven't suggested WHAT yet!)
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Nabobalis

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Re: NEW! Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2010, 02:38:23 am »

Done, and more! Good idea

Next version (2.5?)

Will have something like the following, once DF Config has a good build and the tileset changer is working better.

+DF Vanilla (except for the below embarks, and init changes)
+DF Config with settings, mods (aquifers/noexotic/fastdwarfs), laptop keybinds
and TILESET CHANGER with Phoebus, Mayday, Ironhand, Goldplated and more included! (ability to add more!)
+Stonesense
+Therapist
+DF Hack
+Embark profiles
(could use more of these!)
Thinking of:
+Quickfort (may be too confusing for newbs, but definitely a must for the lazy)
+SUGGESTIONS! (Many of you want more utilities but haven't suggested WHAT yet!)

Sounds good. Only issue for me with Quickfort is that the blueprints are hard to see what they actually do without running them.
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Re: NEW! Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2010, 04:19:32 am »

Link for DFHack just leads to the main DF page. Was that intended ?
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Re: NEW! Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2010, 07:26:26 am »

Done, and more! Good idea

Next version (2.5?)

Will have something like the following, once DF Config has a good build and the tileset changer is working better.

+DF Vanilla (except for the below embarks, and init changes)
+DF Config with settings, mods (aquifers/noexotic/fastdwarfs), laptop keybinds
and TILESET CHANGER with Phoebus, Mayday, Ironhand, Goldplated and more included! (ability to add more!)
+Stonesense
+Therapist
+DF Hack
+Embark profiles
(could use more of these!)
Thinking of:
+Quickfort (may be too confusing for newbs, but definitely a must for the lazy)
+SUGGESTIONS! (Many of you want more utilities but haven't suggested WHAT yet!)

how about adding PerfectWorldDF to the mix? http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=57428.0
i tried it and it works perfectly with your latest release ;)
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Re: NEW! Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2010, 08:42:30 am »

Done, and more! Good idea

Next version (2.5?)

Will have something like the following, once DF Config has a good build and the tileset changer is working better.

+DF Vanilla (except for the below embarks, and init changes)
+DF Config with settings, mods (aquifers/noexotic/fastdwarfs), laptop keybinds
and TILESET CHANGER with Phoebus, Mayday, Ironhand, Goldplated and more included! (ability to add more!)
+Stonesense
+Therapist
+DF Hack
+Embark profiles
(could use more of these!)
Thinking of:
+Quickfort (may be too confusing for newbs, but definitely a must for the lazy)
+SUGGESTIONS! (Many of you want more utilities but haven't suggested WHAT yet!)

Sounds good. Only issue for me with Quickfort is that the blueprints are hard to see what they actually do without running them.

Maybe add Chromafort to ease Quickfort usefulness.  It would be nice if someone would write a utility to "reverse" a QF csv into a bmp... :)
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LucasUP

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Re: Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2010, 07:29:28 pm »

Oh right! PerfectWorld! I was thinking of that. Thanks for reminding me.
Chromafort would be good. Newbs will still need to do some reading up on this and QF to use them properly though.
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Re: Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2010, 03:16:04 am »

Idea:

What about making "custom" builds?

Basically, webpage where you check what you want/don't want, select tileset, select mods, select default options (like water lelev numbers), OS, etc ...

Page will then build package for you and you download it. As registred user, you will have your own default profile saved so that you do not need to input it all again. (add some neat features like popularity of options too)

Some check would be done for compatibility: i.e., if utility does not work with version of df you based your build on, it will get grayed out, similary checks for mutually exclusive mods.

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Re: Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2010, 11:20:48 am »

Idea:

What about making "custom" builds?

Basically, webpage where you check what you want/don't want, select tileset, select mods, select default options (like water lelev numbers), OS, etc ...

Page will then build package for you and you download it. As registred user, you will have your own default profile saved so that you do not need to input it all again. (add some neat features like popularity of options too)

Some check would be done for compatibility: i.e., if utility does not work with version of df you based your build on, it will get grayed out, similary checks for mutually exclusive mods.

This isn't terribly different then what DFConfig does, although it does require you to download the tilesets all at once to pick which ones you like from your machine, but is significantly simpler then having to host a site which lets you pull down exactly what you need.

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Re: Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2010, 01:10:43 pm »

Idea:

What about making "custom" builds?

Basically, webpage where you check what you want/don't want, select tileset, select mods, select default options (like water lelev numbers), OS, etc ...

Page will then build package for you and you download it. As registred user, you will have your own default profile saved so that you do not need to input it all again. (add some neat features like popularity of options too)

Some check would be done for compatibility: i.e., if utility does not work with version of df you based your build on, it will get grayed out, similary checks for mutually exclusive mods.

This isn't terribly different then what DFConfig does, although it does require you to download the tilesets all at once to pick which ones you like from your machine, but is significantly simpler then having to host a site which lets you pull down exactly what you need.

It is nice tool.

But see, I always use the same options, same mod combination, same tileset. It equals to do exactly same thing with every new version:

replace colors with my custom color scheme, edit various settings, put mods to raw folder, put embark profiles to its place, put there tileset, put my worldgen profiles to its file, gather tools ... it is awfull lot of tweaking ... i am kind of sick of that after 8 versions of DF2010

Tool allows me to do those things easier, but i still have to do awfull lot of things manually. And still do them: What i would like is comfort of one click to get my fav version that i would not need to tweak manually at all.

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Re: Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2010, 01:27:32 pm »

DFConfig will deal completely with settings, tileset, colors (wip), etc.
It would be way too difficult to make an online tool that happens to have every compatible DF mod, and all your personal worldgen/embark profiles. Even with a proposed tool that downloads some options for you, you would still need to do most of these things yourself.

So what if you use the same settings and tileset? DFConfig will literally take a SINGLE BUTTON PRESS to change any particular setting/tileset.

If you want to have an easy way to move your personal files over to a new version, just put them in an empty folder tree structured like DFs.
ie, your worldgen file would be put:
DF_zwei\data\init\world_gen

If all your latest files are kept in this folder structure, all you have to do is copy the files over an existing DF version to install all your personal stuff at once. I wouldn't recomend keeping any init files though, they can change version to version.

Also, unfortunately modding into new versions is still a pain. Copying over raw files from a previous version can be a bad idea if there have been raw changes.
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Re: Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2010, 10:07:00 pm »

This will be very helpful for newbs.
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Re: Lazy Newb Pack [0.31.08] [V2.0] Now With Stonesense!
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2010, 10:35:51 pm »

Now that it supports .08, yes!
Although it duplicates some functions from DFConfig, it actually would be great to have BOTH a full-fledged init tweaker, AND a simplified (but powerful!) settings/mod program. Newbs can stick with DFConfig if they want, and those who need to dig a bit deeper into the init can bust open DFInit.
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