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[Flaede]

I'm just tossing a bunch of questions in here that have me stumped in the current version.

Current popular mods have libraries. that can train, among other things, prose.
How can I make this actually have a product of a book?
I know I'll need to add an instrument or toy called a "book", but I'm baffled as to where to start if I want this only produceable at the library (and not at a craftshop).
Also, how would I then go about using that book in a library reaction (reading).

Second,  Shaostoul's Guide is wonderful for figuring out products, but if I want a custom reagent not so much help. How generic can "finished goods" reagents get?
Are classes of reagents still possible? How can reagent classes be assigned, and over what categories of items?

[SenorPiquante]

I'd hate to imagine the environment of a dwarven library if books are "consumed" when read

[Flaede]

I'd hate to imagine the environment of a dwarven library if books are "consumed" when read

PRESERVE REAGENT would be in effect.

[Shaostoul]

For starters, I'm not very good with the reagents, but from the way it seems, it's roughly the same as a product.

Also I have two versions of the Guide.

Wiki Version
Forum Version

The forum version has a list of tokens that I put there mostly for my use and for anyone who might find them useful...

Anyways! For the toy you'd find the "item_toy.txt"

[ITEM_TOY:ITEM_BOOK]
[NAME:book:books]
[HARD_MAT]

That should produce a book... more or less.

I'm guessing here... but the reaction would be something like...

[REACTION:READ_BOOK]
[NAME:Read a book.]
[REAGENT:A:1:TOY:NONE:ITEM_BOOK:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[SKILL:READING]

[REACTION:WRITE_BOOK]
[NAME:Write a Book]
[PRODUCT:100:1:TOY:NONE:ITEM_BOOK:NONE]
[SKILL:PROSE]

Then you have to...

[PERMITTED_REACTION:WRITE_BOOK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:READ_BOOK]

I don't know if it will be made at the craftshop... you'd have to test it.

[Flaede]

Wow. thanks for giving me a place to start testing, at the very least. I wouldn't be surprised if that setup works fine as-is.

Any insight on the second question? Generic "finished good" reagent? Reagent classes? I remember something like this in 40d, but don't know if it's carried over.

I'm partly curious for refining the building construction of things like the Display Case to avoid stones and lungs and rat corpses, and only use valuable items. It may not be possible.

[Shaostoul]

Hmm, well I typically avoid doing anything with finished products, mostly just the raw materials, y'know to avoid problems like reactions that only produce large armor.

I'll give it a look, give me a minute or so.

-edit-

well for starters... here's this...

a list of item tokens...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

BAR
SMALLGEM
BLOCKS
ROUGH
BOULDER
WOOD
DOOR
FLOODGATE
HATCH_COVER
GRATE
BED
TRACTION_BENCH
CHAIR
CHAIN
FLASK
GOBLET
INSTRUMENT
TOY
WINDOW
CAGE
BARREL
BUCKET
ANIMALTRAP
TABLE
COFFIN
STATUE
QUERN
MILLSTONE
CORPSE
WEAPON
SHOES
HELM
GLOVES
BOX
BIN
ARMORSTAND
WEAPONRACK
CABINET
FIGURINE
AMULET
SCEPTER
AMMO
CROWN
RING
EARRING
BRACELET
GEM
ANVIL
CORPSEPIECE
REMAINS
MEAT
FISH_RAW
VERMIN
PET
SEEDS
SKIN_TANNED
LEAVES
TOTEM
PANTS
BACKPACK
QUIVER
SPLINT
ORTHOPEDIC_CAST
CRUTCH
CATAPULTPARTS
BALLISTAPARTS
SIEGEAMMO
BALLISTAARROWHEAD
TRAPPARTS
TRAPCOMP
DRINK
POWDER_MISC
CHEESE
LIQUID_MISC
COIN
GLOB
ROCK
PIPE_SECTION

judging by the way that looks... you won't have a "general finished good item"

you'll have to get a little more specific.

[Lord Aether]

I believe that unless you set the newly created toy book as one of the entity's allowed toys, it will not be created in the craftdwarf workshop.

[Lofn]

Wow. thanks for giving me a place to start testing, at the very least. I wouldn't be surprised if that setup works fine as-is.

Any insight on the second question? Generic "finished good" reagent? Reagent classes? I remember something like this in 40d, but don't know if it's carried over.

I'm partly curious for refining the building construction of things like the Display Case to avoid stones and lungs and rat corpses, and only use valuable items. It may not be possible.

I suggest making the book an ITEM_TOY and not including it in any entity raws.  There's no generic item token.

[Grimlocke]

You might want to mod in some parchment to give them a material and a sensible reagent item for the writing reaction.

[Flaede]

parchment?
Uhm. These are dwarves. The books will be made of STONE.

[SenorPiquante]

You might want to mod in some parchment to give them a material and a sensible reagent item for the writing reaction.

This is a finely crafted Dwarfonomicon. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. The cover is made from cat leather. The pages are made from elf leather and penned in monarch butterfly ichor. The item menaces with spikes of elf bone.

[Deon]

parchment?
Uhm. These are dwarves. The books will be made of STONE.

Those are called tablets. Nice idea btw.

[Flaede]

You might want to mod in some parchment to give them a material and a sensible reagent item for the writing reaction.

This is a finely crafted Dwarfonomicon. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. The cover is made from cat leather. The pages are made from elf leather and penned in monarch butterfly ichor. The item menaces with spikes of elf bone.

Oh I wish it was possible to do that.

[SethCreiyd]

I was thinking of something like this for my strange mood in progress.

First of all, there's gotta be parchment of some sort.  Made from animal skin of some sort.  You could make it at a Tanner's workshop, even though you wouldn't be tanning it, just soaking it in lime.  So the dwarves should need lime, too, but that probably isn't necessary...  Not like they use it for tanning right now... anyway, dwarves can do stuff others can't, like make steel and extract strands.  So why not make paper?  More reason to cut down trees and flip off elves.  So then there's a paper reaction added that uses logs to make 1000 sheets of paper or something.  You can take parchment and roll it into scrolls if you want to.

So, custom library / study hall / writer's lounge workshop, and the reactions:

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[REACTION:READ_BOOK]
[NAME:read a book]
[REAGENT:A:1:TOY:ITEM_NOVEL:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[SKILL:READING]

[REACTION:WRITE_PAGE]
[NAME:write a page]
[REAGENT:A:1:TOY:ITEM_PAPER:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:TOY:ITEM_FILLED_PAGE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
[SKILL:PROSE]

[REACTION:WRITE_ESSAY]
[NAME:finish writing an essay]
[REAGENT:A:10:TOY:ITEM_PAPER:NONE:NONE]
[REAGENT:B:1:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:TOY:ITEM_ESSAY:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:B:NONE]
[SKILL:PROSE]

[REACTION:WRITE_JOURNAL]
[NAME:finish writing a journal]
[REAGENT:A:25:TOY:ITEM_PAPER:NONE:NONE]
[REAGENT:B:1:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:TOY:ITEM_JOURNAL:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:B:NONE]
[SKILL:PROSE]

[REACTION:WRITE_SHORTSTORY]
[NAME:finish writing a short story]
[REAGENT:A:50:TOY:ITEM_PAPER:NONE:NONE]
[REAGENT:B:1:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:TOY:ITEM_SHORTSTORY:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:B:NONE]
[SKILL:PROSE]

[REACTION:WRITE_NOVEL]
[NAME:finish writing a book]
[REAGENT:A:200:TOY:ITEM_PAPER:NONE:NONE]
[REAGENT:B:1:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:TOY:ITEM_NOVEL:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:B:NONE]
[SKILL:PROSE]
The dwarves have to write those pages before they can finish that book.  It will take a long time to haul all those pages if you didn't have your paper stockpile near the library, but hey, it takes a while to write a good novel, and dedication is part of it.  All that's left is to make sure the pages can be placed all in one bin as finished goods.  This is why it takes me forever to mod.

[Flaede]

I like the bookbinding idea. BTW - It's called "vellum" when it's "paper made from skin".
I wonder - is there a way to involve metal studding? or can that only be worked into clothes?