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[Askot Bokbondeler]

being synonymous with something bad does, tough...

[eerr]

being synonymous with something bad does, tough...

Obviously the synonyms aren't perfect.
Or maybe not agreed upon.

Either way not equal in everybodies opinion.

[Luke_Prowler]

i'm not a great fan of democracy though, or at least majoritarianism. masses are dumb, votes should be reserved for intelectuals

That's pretty much the Elder counsel system, and is pretty much the worst idea ever. having your IQ higher than a certain number does not at any point make you better than the common man, and it certainly doesn't make you uncorrupted.

[andrea]

democracy is quite horrible in many areas, but unluckily for us it is also the best we have so far. ( at least if we value freedom. If freedom wasn't considered important, other systems would be better I think... but I like freedom).

churchill said "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. "

[nenjin]

IQ doesn't correlate to the quality of their morals or their ethics. You don't necessarily need smart people leading you, you need moral and ethical people leading you so they make choices you can live with.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

i'm not a great fan of democracy though, or at least majoritarianism. masses are dumb, votes should be reserved for intelectuals

That's pretty much the Elder counsel system, and is pretty much the worst idea ever. having your IQ higher than a certain number does not at any point make you better than the common man, and it certainly doesn't make you uncorrupted.

i am of the opinion that being more intelligent makes you make better decisions,
luckily most modern democracies are constitutional republics that guarantee that at least some fundamental laws aren't subjected to the masses whims, but hand a country over to direct democracy and you'd get a pretty terrible place.

being synonymous with something bad does, tough...

Obviously the synonyms aren't perfect.
Or maybe not agreed upon.

Either way not equal in everybodies opinion.

etymologically, they are pretty close.

democracy is quite horrible in many areas, but unluckily for us it is also the best we have so far. ( at least if we value freedom. If freedom wasn't considered important, other systems would be better I think... but I like freedom).

churchill said "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

i agree that democracy beats many of it's alternatives, but i don't think it's a good reason to stop considering new political systems. Also, i don't think personal freedom should be above life in a healthy scale of values.

IQ doesn't correlate to the quality of their morals or their ethics. You don't necessarily need smart people leading you, you need moral and ethical people leading you so they make choices you can live with.

morals are subjective, i want a government that is mathematically better at keeping people alive and happy, intelligent people are better at maths:P either way, the majority cannot be trusted in either intelligence or morality,
"intelligent" is also a word that hasn't been satisfyingly defined, tough, and i certainly don't think I'm qualified to say who is intelligent, but sometimes stupidity is clearly identifiable

[Jreengus]

democracy is quite horrible in many areas, but unluckily for us it is also the best we have so far. ( at least if we value freedom. If freedom wasn't considered important, other systems would be better I think... but I like freedom).

churchill said "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. "

Actually there is preferable alternative to democracy, it's called a republic. Not that it doesn't have it's own flaws but it still better than democracy. Chances are you actually live a republic, if you vote for leaders who make decisions that's a republic. If you vote on decisions personally that's a democracy.

Edit: Beaten to it by Askot.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

"The term republic has many different meanings, but today often refers to a representative democracy with an elected head of state, such as a president, serving for a limited"
representative democracy and constitutional government are the key words, not republic, republic just means that the head of state is not a monarch. etymologically a republic could be any form of government as long as it claimed popular legitimacy, it means basically means public affair

[nenjin]

morals are subjective, i want a government that is mathematically better at keeping people alive and happy, intelligent people are better at maths:P

And when you hit that magically livable number, what next? All you have left are the morals. That's pretty much where America is right now. We know how to keep people alive until 50 and ostensibly happy. That's not our problem now. Our problem is defining certain values our country operates by. It's been on-going, but it's been coming to a head since 9/11.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

judging by your health care i'd say that you aren't too proficient at keeping people alive.

[nenjin]

That's why I pegged it at 50 Europe in general does better I believe, and I know Canada does. But I think that's more about American lifestyle habits overall.

[Josephus]

i'm not a great fan of democracy though, or at least majoritarianism. masses are dumb, votes should be reserved for intelectuals

That's pretty much the Elder counsel system, and is pretty much the worst idea ever. having your IQ higher than a certain number does not at any point make you better than the common man, and it certainly doesn't make you uncorrupted.

i am of the opinion that being more intelligent makes you make better decisions,
luckily most modern democracies are constitutional republics that guarantee that at least some fundamental laws aren't subjected to the masses whims, but hand a country over to direct democracy and you'd get a pretty terrible place.

Big difference between WIS and INT. Ideally, you want your leaders to have high WIS and high INT, but given a choice, I'd take WIS.

[Grakelin]

Bush took INT and CHA as his dumpstat, which slowed him down somewhat, but I don't think it's all about stats. All of Obama's stats are very high (even STR and DEX, which are usually dump stats for Presidents), but he's still hasn't made messiah rank, though his rank certainly isn't as low as Bush's was this far into his session.

Granted, this is just when I tabulate PR points. It's hard to tabulate points for politics and results, because nobody seems to agree on how you get them.

[Jackrabbit]

Granted, this is just when I tabulate PR points. It's hard to tabulate points for politics and results, because nobody seems to agree on how you get them.

You roll a d20 and make shit up.

[Grakelin]

No, those are the rules on how to debate on how to get points.