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[Jude]

Small scale communism (emphasis on COMMUNism, as in community) is great and probably the best way of doing things

but it can't work for groups larger than 100 or 150, if that. Beyond that you can't maintain enough trust

[Pathos]

Communism doesn't work because I am an American and the propaganda my country's government feeds me says so.

[Il Palazzo]

I'm not saying experience is worthless, just that saying my view is superior to yours due to greater experience is wrong. Any idea should be judged based on its own merits rather than the experience of those espousing it.

I suppose that the point is, one is the more fit to judge an idea, the more experience(or in other words: common sense) one has.
One shouldn't accept some old geezer's ideas just because he's old. But surely, this old guy's insights and reflections on human life makes him the guy to ask about how humans behave.

[Jreengus]

Yes, his personal experience would be useful, but you can't just accept his views or give them any more strength because even though he has more experience the logical conclusions he draws from said experience could be wrong and no matter how old his experience is still horribly incomplete. Everyone's is.

[Nikov]

I'm not saying experience is worthless, just that saying my view is superior to yours due to greater experience is wrong. Any idea should be judged based on its own merits rather than the experience of those espousing it.

Logically sound and a good refutation of the ad personum logical fallacy. However, you are still nineteen so neener neener.

Marx's only experience in government was as president of his university drinking club. I am amazed how many campus revolutionaries hate frat boys yet espouse the ideas of one.

[ChairmanPoo]

I'd swear I had made a relevant post in this thread and it's nowhere to be seen. Am I seeing things?

EDIT: NVM. Was posted in the wrong thread

Allegedly anarchist communes in Catalonia were doing fairly well during the SCW. I dont know to what extent this is true. Either way, they were stamped out in the middle of the war, by the communist party, no less. So it goes.

[scriver]

EDIT: NVM. Was posted in the wrong thread

Dammit, then I did too!

[nenjin]

This thread made me realize...

The next time we discuss politics, we should do it entirely through quotes from famous dead people. It would be a laugh RIOT.

Also, when people require sourcing just to prove the point that Communism is a form of government, we've gone beyond the pale of reasonable debate. Reasonable people having a reasonable debate don't need that kind of **** defined just to make their point.

[Grakelin]

Name a civilization which...

You know what? You're right. Private property is not required for civilization. All the thousands of years of preceeding human history teach us nothing, and the ideas of a thirty year old coffee shop Bohemian will change the world if we just hold hands and believe.

Private property is a fairly new development. If it's owned by your monarch, and he decrees that your local nobleman gets some land, then it's not really private property. Unless your entire kingdom is a piece of private property.

[Virex]

Name a civilization which...

You know what? You're right. Private property is not required for civilization. All the thousands of years of preceeding human history teach us nothing, and the ideas of a thirty year old coffee shop Bohemian will change the world if we just hold hands and believe.

Private property is a fairly new development. If it's owned by your monarch, and he decrees that your local nobleman gets some land, then it's not really private property. Unless your entire kingdom is a piece of private property.

I thought the entire kingdom was the property of the king and he had the power to lend that land to his noblemen in exchange for their services?

[Aqizzar]

I'm pretty sure even medieval peasants understood who's cow or axe or house belonged to whom.  Land was the big question.  Besides, plenty of ancient societies understood private property.  Anywhere market cultures were big, there was private purchasing and investment.

[ChairmanPoo]

The exact forms of property have varied over time, though.

BTW: it probably has been pointed out already, but marxists, AFAIK, intend to do away with private property of the means of production, not private property as a whole.

[The Grinning Bandit]

BTW: it probably has been pointed out already, but marxists, AFAIK, intend to do away with private property of the means of production, not private property as a whole.

This is true practically whenever any leftist/socialist/communist/anarchist rallies for the abolition of private property. They (well, we, if we're including anarchists) are against private property as a means of exploitation - such as owning a factory and having people work there and taking the profits from their work on the basis that you "own the factory". Nobody I've ever talked to has advocated for the abolition of the entire concept of possession, i.e. getting rid of the idea of "my" house, "my" car, "my" food and putting everything into some sort of utopian resource pool.

[nenjin]

Nobody I've ever talked to has advocated for the abolition of the entire concept of possession, i.e. getting rid of the idea of "my" house, "my" car, "my" food and putting everything into some sort of utopian resource pool.

I have. But they tend to be younger than 18 and have no concept of what it means to pay for something you own.

[Grakelin]

Oh, property as in stuff? Yeah, that's almost unavoidable. Somebody is always going to say "This rock is mine". I was thinking more in terms of land.

The monarch owning all of Calradia isn't private property, incidentally. It would be private property if Count Klargus had Suno, and Suno was his, and the King didn't really have any say over what he did with it.