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[Nikov]

Well Loveschach, I'm twenty five and clearly ahead of the curve.

"The notion of abolishing private property is so antithetical to human civilization but so nessicary to Communism that we can only conclude Communism cannot work with civilization." -- Me

[Jackrabbit]

But if Nikov was quotings and dead men are not good for quotings....

THEN WHO WAS PHONE

[loveschach]

"The notion of abolishing private property is so antithetical to human civilization but so nessicary to Communism that we can only conclude Communism cannot work with civilization." -- Me

Why

[Nikov]

"The notion of abolishing private property is so antithetical to human civilization but so nessicary to Communism that we can only conclude Communism cannot work with civilization." -- Me

Why

Why what?

[ChairmanPoo]

I think that we should discard all these follies of communism and capitalism, and go back to the principles of a former, more civilized time, when men where men, women were women and small furry animals from alpha centauri were small furry animals from alpha centauri. Yes, gentlemen, I am making the bold suggestion that we turn back to the worship of the sun-god Huitzilopochtli and it's revered traditions

[Nikov]

For the reconsecration of Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, dedicated to Tlaloc and Huitzilopochtli, the Aztecs reported that they sacrificed about 20,400 prisoners over the course of four days. While accepted by some scholars, this claim also has been considered Aztec propaganda. There were 19 altars in the city of Tenochtitlan.

Less dangerous than Communism.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/CHINA.FIG1.8.GIF

[loveschach]

Less dangerous than Communism.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/CHINA.FIG1.8.GIF

when were those statistics taken and what does being "Murdered by the government" mean, exactly?

And why is Private Property necessary for civilization?

[Nikov]

Name a civilization which...

You know what? You're right. Private property is not required for civilization. All the thousands of years of preceeding human history teach us nothing, and the ideas of a thirty year old coffee shop Bohemian will change the world if we just hold hands and believe.

[Satarus]

Because all of human history and all of the social sciences teach us that humans are selfish bastards who only do things for their own interests, or the interests of their pack.  Without private property as a reward for their work, people simply won't work.

[scriver]

I think that we should discard all these follies of communism and capitalism, and go back to the principles of a former, more civilized time, when men where men, women were women and small furry animals from alpha centauri were small furry animals from alpha centauri. Yes, gentlemen, I am making the bold suggestion that we turn back to the worship of the sun-god Huitzilopochtli and it's revered traditions

Yay! Then we men can wear skirts again!

[CJ1145]

I think that we should discard all these follies of communism and capitalism, and go back to the principles of a former, more civilized time, when men where men, women were women and small furry animals from alpha centauri were small furry animals from alpha centauri. Yes, gentlemen, I am making the bold suggestion that we turn back to the worship of the sun-god Huitzilopochtli and it's revered traditions

Despite my self-imposed exile, I feel the need to say that this chap has some fantastic ideas in his head. We should listen.

[Jreengus]

“A man who is not a communist at the age of twenty is a fool. Any man who is still communist at the age of thirty is an even bigger one.” -- George Bernard Shaw

This quote uses the fallacious idea that age and experience somehow make a world view better or give it more weight than one carried by a less experienced person. By this logic we should all do anything suggested by Jeanne Calment.

[Il Palazzo]

“A man who is not a communist at the age of twenty is a fool. Any man who is still communist at the age of thirty is an even bigger one.” -- George Bernard Shaw

This quote uses the fallacious idea that age and experience somehow make a world view better or give it more weight than one carried by a less experienced person. By this logic we should all do anything suggested by Jeanne Calment.

Now you've just said that experience doesn't make a man more fit to judge the world around him.

There was another similar saying:
"If you're young and conservative, then you have no heart. If you're old and socialist, then you've no sense."
I think it was Churchil's, not sure about that.
Anyway, it points to the fact that young people are more likely to get swayed by grand ideas, while old people have enough experience of human nature to be able to point out the fallacies of such ideas, because they actually know that the world doesn't work this way.

[Jreengus]

I'm not saying experience is worthless, just that saying my view is superior to yours due to greater experience is wrong. Any idea should be judged based on its own merits rather than the experience of those espousing it.

[andrea]

one age's conservatives are the past age's innovators.
Things changed in human history. I strongly disagree with the quote and the meaning attached to it. The way the world works changed in the past. What you today call people who know human nature and the ways of the world, in some other period would be dreamers or crazy.
Human nature isn't an absolute. Maybe it doesn't change, but the way it expresses itself WILL change, because the environment in which it acts changes too.

Now this isn't meant to defend socialism and communism. That is not the point. The point is that " The world works this way" is a weak statement.