Okay, hang on, don't change your point in the middle of a discussion. You point (and the one I was refuting) was that Castro fucked up the economy enough that he needed aid from Russia, which is not the case. "Changing tack in the middle of a conversation means you never have to admit that you're wrong" apparently. And, since Castro led the country until the 70s and went a very long way to fixing the economy I fail to see how Communism didn't work in Cuba.
Castro's reign didn't do a whole lot for his country before the economic boom of tourism. Until he implemented some free market, he wasn't doing all that great.
I also fail to see how a country can be even halfway respectable on the market when one of the most powerful nations in the world is imposing an embargo on it and has done for decades. Why is that still happening again?
You may not have noticed, but there is no badge on my avatar that states "representative of the US government". I don't know why we're still doing it. Ideological reasons, maybe, or perhaps it's just not a big priority with the troubles our own nation has.
Okay, and finally, not having the opportunity to ever back up your point is not the same as being right. You don't win a point for having an excuse not to back up your argument. Your argument is still wrong, it's just that people can see why its wrong now.
?? I seriously don't understand the inclusion of this point. Maybe I'm misreading something, but I've been trying to back up my points. The only sources I've seen from the other side are Cuban or from the UN, which due to sympathies to the government would obviously skew any evidence in their favor. For my side of the argument, open a history book and take a look at Cuba.
This is the first time I've ever said this and had it be an actual, honest rebuttal.
WUT.
That point is wrong. I'll leave it to you to figure out why, although others are going to come in and tell you pretty quickly.
Jesus, man, so I accidentally used the "f" word. The point is, large scale Communism, by looking at history, tends to devolve into brutal dictatorships. The utopias that the idea claim to occur are still nowhere to be found. For all the hatred you throw at me for my supposed dodging of arguments, you're pretty quick to toss away all my points and jump on one wrong word like a rabid cougar.
I am aware that Castro wasn't doing that great. It was largely because he took the reigns of a country that was pretty damn deep in the gutter and he totally opposed the US and so they tried to hurt him for it and of course, it was because of that embargo. My question as to why it hasn't been dropped yet was an honest one, by the way. I wasn't trying to wring answers out of you Jack Bauer style. It's incredibly hard to hold a gun to someone's head from the other side of the world anyway.
As for the point you don't understand, I was referring to this:
He knows this because he has been everywhere and has found all other countries and lifestyles wanting. U S A! U S A! GOOO
Funny, funny. With all the immigration crap I'd have to go through, I doubt I'd ever get more opportunity than where I am now. So, yeah, point for me.
What you're saying, as near as I can tell, is that you can't live anywhere else and as such you can't compare anywhere else, so, uh, point for you?
What I'm saying is that you're not right simply because you can't compare your lifestyle to, say, Britain's or Australia's by living there and trying it out for yourself, and claiming that you somehow 'win a point' for not being able to do so is ludicrous in the extreme.
As for fascism, it
was a phenomenally stupid thing to say and begs the question, why would you even say it when saying brutal dictatorship worked so much better and didn't make you look like a fool for comparing Communism to Fascism? And, uh, I didn't discard your argument in favor of jumping on one word. Here's what I'm doing in this thread: refuting points you make that are inaccurate of foolish, because you've made a fair few of them. Not completely disagreeing with you, that's not my goal. I
do agree that Cuba started with a brutal dictatorship (or, if not brutal, then certainly a dictatorship), it's just that you're going about defending your position so
badly that I actually cannot be totally on your side here.
Basically, something is WRONG ON THE INTERNET. Namely, a lot of your points. If I don't rebut a point, assume I agree with you.
FAKEEDIT: Seven replies, this thread is really moving. And yet it's going nowhere.
EDIT: "Let this blow over" says the guy with a link to the argument in his sig. It won't blow over until you leave it behind.
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