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[Captain Mayday]

Okay, some research has confirmed the opening post of this thread is not vague at all. They made a DF clone.

Using parsed output from DF's hardcoded stuff, it seems.

[Captain Mayday]

Yeah, Khazad. SourceForge confirms at least the "DF clone" portion.

No it's not. It was (and is) a tool to test out new pathing algorithms. See threads about pathing. It never was intended to become even playable:

Khazad is a unique game engine intended to act as a testbed and example for 3D viewing, mouse based designations and AI for the independent game Dwarf Fortress.

This changed recently.

[Rose]

yes, Khazad is now being rebooted into a DF clone. It's moved from sourceforge to Github.

[Acanthus117]

What

damn copycats

[ChJees]

DF Fortress Clone?

Somewhere two people is making another Dwarf Fortress, luckily for us ToadyOne is waaaay ahead of them. This from Magma News, we are so hot we are going to melt!

I wonder how many that gets the reference .

[sadis]

Is it possible to report them in GitHub as using stolen/reverse engineered code?

[Mr. Accident]

Okay, but what about DFHack? For me (and, I expect, many others), that's one of the things that makes DF as awesome (and usable) as it is, and it sucks to see it vanish from the forum. Where's the love, guys; where's the love?

I certainly hope there is some sort of effort ongoing to reach an understanding here. 

[mnjiman]

I think the understanding stopped when they said starting crossing lines which Toady stated in his post.

[Urist Imiknorris]

it sucks to see it vanish from the forum.

Google, man. Google. I'm worried about future support.

[Rose]

I would like to state here (at the risk of getting banned) that I did sign on to this 'clone' project, mainly because I'm quite new to programming and need more experience, I was unaware that there was any reverse engineering going on, other than what is required for a visualizer, which is what it started as.

[Adultratedhydra]

http://help.github.com/dmca/

Seems theres more than enough to support a copyright infringement and to have them take it down from github.

[Mr. Accident]

I think the understanding stopped when they said starting crossing lines which Toady stated in his post.

Well, I don't have anything to judge by. I can't speak for Impaler, but from what little I know, the sort of things Toady mentioned seem out of character for peterix. What exactly went down?

[Retro]

What exactly went down?

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They made a DF clone.

Using parsed output from DF's hardcoded stuff, it seems.

yes, Khazad is now being rebooted into a DF clone.

[sadis]

http://help.github.com/dmca/

Seems theres more than enough to support a copyright infringement and to have them take it down from github.

And it seems it should be Toady One alone that reports them. So we'll just wait and see what happens.

I have never needed DFHack for anything and I'm not sad to see it go, especially if the author is involved in this travesty. But I also understand that it has enabled tools that some of you deem necessary for (relatively) painless playing and feel sorry for you.

[G-Flex]

Copyright is tricky when it comes to things like this. How do you prove a "look and feel" case here?

Seriously, "clones" in the videogaming world are pretty much a mainstay, and aren't even necessarily harmful. The odd thing here is that they were basically (judging by what Toady said here, and some of Impaler's old posts) seriously disrespecting the project they're now attempting to clone, insulting its fans, discouraging supporting it, etc. and are not only cloning DF, but (allegedly) reverse-engineering it as well, although I don't see any particular evidence of that, although I guess it's sort of implicit.