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[FallingWhale]

So, I made piranhas, however because piranhas are small they can't seem to do anything but deliver glancing blows, not very useful for the bone removal that I intend.

If anyone knows how to make them useful and still small, here are the raws

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[CREATURE:FISH_PIRANHA]
   [DESCRIPTION:A small disk like fish that will devour any flesh in reach.]
   [NAME:piranha:piranha:piranha]
   [CASTE_NAME:piranha:piranha:piranha]
   [CHILD:1][GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:piranha fry:piranha fry]
   [CREATURE_TILE:224][COLOR:5:0:0]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:7:15]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:7:50]
   [LITTERSIZE:3:6]
   [LARGE_ROAMING]
   [AQUATIC][UNDERSWIM][IMMOBILE_LAND]
   [SAVAGE][MEANDERER][NATURAL]
   [NOFEAR]
   [PETVALUE:40]
   [BIOME:RIVER_TROPICAL_FRESHWATER]
   [BIOME:LAKE_TROPICAL_FRESHWATER]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
   [PREFSTRING:baby eating ways]
   [PREFSTRING:blood stained teeth]
   [PREFSTRING:minty fresh killings]
   [BODY:BASIC_2PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD:SIDE_FINS:DORSAL_FIN:TAIL:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:RIBCAGE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:SKIN]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:LEATHER]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:SKIN]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SCALE:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
    [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SCALE:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [SPEED:2900]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:150]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:600]
   [BODY_SIZE:3:0:1000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:10:25]
   [ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [NO_DRINK]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:450]
   [MUNDANE]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLUE:1:BROWN:1:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:upper scales:PLURAL][SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PINK:1:RED:1:GREEN:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:lower scales:PLURAL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

[Shaostoul]

Surprised they weren't already in the game, should be a decent addition.

For proper teeth you have to edit the teeth entry, I believe in vanilla they are as soft as skin.

[Deon]

They have a very low density.

Just make their teeth out of steel .

[Jordrake]

They have a very low density.

Just make their teeth out of steel .

When this is among the first solutions given to a problem, you know you're in the DF forums.

[Deon]

Well, I didn't suggest to make their teeth out of magma, so... Oh wait I am confused now.

[Rowanas]

You do realise that piranhas aren't actually very dangerous, right? They only frenzy when they've been starved for ages.

[Grimlocke]

Know that you can modify materials within the creatures file with [SELECT_MATERIAL:TOOTH] or another material instead of tooth. You could also modify the size of their teeth with the relsize tag, use the dwarf entry for an example.

Actualy their teeth would probabaly have to be huge to pierce more then just skin. Oh well they should still drown stuff with the dodging awesomeness.

[FallingWhale]

You do realise that piranhas aren't actually very dangerous, right? They only frenzy when they've been starved for ages.

I know but they should be able to wound a drowning cow/goat/mule/archer

would [SELECT_MATERIAL:TOOTH][USE_MATERIAL:STEEL] work

[Sarvesh Mossbeard]

Realisticly you should make it hard as bone, not steel.

But having them as steel will please armork!

You do realise that piranhas aren't actually very dangerous, right? They only frenzy when they've been starved for ages.

Guess what - neither are carps. Or elephants.

[Tricsun]

You do realise that piranhas aren't actually very dangerous, right? They only frenzy when they've been starved for ages.

High concentration of Piranhas + blood in the water = dangerous piranhas, starved or not.  Maybe if you can make them attack when there's blood in the water?

[Deon]

You do realise that piranhas aren't actually very dangerous, right? They only frenzy when they've been starved for ages.

I know but they should be able to wound a drowning cow/goat/mule/archer

would [SELECT_MATERIAL:TOOTH][USE_MATERIAL:STEEL] work

I think it's something like:

Code: [Select]

[TISSUE:STEEL_TEETH]
[TISSUE_NAME:piranha tooth:NP]
[STRUCTURAL]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:STEEL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:2]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]

[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH:STEEL_TEETH]

P.S. I wonder if your dwarves are able to smelt piranhas' teeth into weapons though...

[Grimlocke]

WIth the tissue thing about butchering them will yield 'piranhas's steel', bit weird. Adjusting the material wont cause any weird names. Just can copy paste material properties from steel.

[Deon]

For sure, it was just a quick way I am sure will work (I don't want to give something with errors and do not have time to test it right now because I code). There's a lot of ways to do it.

[FallingWhale]

With the steel I ended up with the same issue, they are little momentumless fishies; all I need them to do is latch and de-bone.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:FISH_PIRANhA]
   [DESCRIPTION:A small disk like fish that will devour any flesh in reach.]
   [NAME:piranha:piranha:piranha]
   [CASTE_NAME:piranha:piranha:piranha]
   [CHILD:1][GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:piranha fry:piranha fry]
   [CREATURE_TILE:224][COLOR:5:0:0]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:7:15]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:7:50]
   [LITTERSIZE:3:6]
   [LARGE_ROAMING]
   [AQUATIC][UNDERSWIM][IMMOBILE_LAND]
   [SAVAGE][MEANDERER][NATURAL]
   [NOFEAR]
   [PETVALUE:40]
   [BIOME:RIVER_TROPICAL_FRESHWATER]
   [BIOME:LAKE_TROPICAL_FRESHWATER]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
   [PREFSTRING:baby eating ways]
   [PREFSTRING:blood stained teeth]
   [PREFSTRING:minty fresh killings]
   [BODY:BASIC_2PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD:SIDE_FINS:DORSAL_FIN:TAIL:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:RIBCAGE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:SKIN]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:LEATHER]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:SKIN]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SCALE:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
    [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SCALE:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [TISSUE:STEEL_TEETH]
      [TISSUE_NAME:piranha tooth:NP]
      [STRUCTURAL]
      [TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:STEEL]
      [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:2]
      [CONNECTS]
      [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]

   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH:STEEL_TEETH]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [SPEED:2900]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:150]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:600]
   [BODY_SIZE:3:0:1000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:10:25]
   [ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [NO_DRINK]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:450]
   [MUNDANE]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLUE:1:BROWN:1:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:upper scales:PLURAL][SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PINK:1:RED:1:GREEN:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:lower scales:PLURAL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

[darkflagrance]

They are only size 1, so their attack power will be utterly pathetic. Not only must you mod them to appear in massive clusters, but increase the damage their attack deals (I'm just guessing, but try 1000 instead of 100 for their bite and see how they do in Arena mode)