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Xelek

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Avoiding parties!
« on: June 02, 2010, 04:18:24 am »

So, I don't even know why I tried this in the first place, but I found a way to avoid having your dwarves throwing parties all the time..!

I haven't tested with versions prior to 0.31.04, but I'm pretty sure it would work with other versions just fine.

So I started a fort last night and it's a year in. Zero parties. Several dwarves got married but none had any formal celebrations. I no longer need to go out of my way freeing and re-assigning zones to get work done.

The trick? Create your rooms normally, but never activate the Meeting Hall (Y/N) option. Instead, use the "i" zone tool to designate a meeting hall over areas. Apparently dwarves need a zone designed as a meeting hall attached to an object to throw a party, as hinted by the "Urist McBum organised a party at Gold Statue." announcement.

You still get thoughts from dwarves going to the areas, admiring the furniture or eating in a legendary dining hall, but no parties, ever!

Oh and if you're annoyed because you can't shape the zones perfectly on top of a room like you would when going from the furniture's menu, well, you can. Just make it bigger than the room you want to designate over and then chip away everything you don't want by removing only part of the zone. Voilą, no parties, and only one zone covers your room perfectly.
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kcwong

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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 05:19:27 am »

Welcome to Dwarf Fortress.

The relationship between meeting hall and never-ending partying is well-known:
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Party (It's the same in 2010)

You can turn on the meeting zone for a bit if you are not busy with a mega project, want to have more babies, or to give some of your dwarfs a happy thought.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 07:26:36 am »

Oh and if you're annoyed because you can't shape the zones perfectly on top of a room like you would when going from the furniture's menu, well, you can. Just make it bigger than the room you want to designate over and then chip away everything you don't want by removing only part of the zone. Voilą, no parties, and only one zone covers your room perfectly.
Get into zone designation with i and instead of starting to draw rectangles hit e once or twice to select Flow or Floor Flow (the difference being iirc that Floor Flow doesn't include walls/doors) and you can designate your zones just like you can rooms from buildings.
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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 07:41:25 am »

So, I don't even know why I tried this in the first place, but I found a way to avoid having your dwarves throwing parties all the time..!


Your answer is incorrect.  The solution is to make your dwarves work harder, all the time, and throw party-organisers into the magma if they disobey.

An idle dwarf is a dwarf too many.

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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 10:01:17 am »

Oh and if you're annoyed because you can't shape the zones perfectly on top of a room like you would when going from the furniture's menu, well, you can. Just make it bigger than the room you want to designate over and then chip away everything you don't want by removing only part of the zone. Voilą, no parties, and only one zone covers your room perfectly.
Get into zone designation with i and instead of starting to draw rectangles hit e once or twice to select Flow or Floor Flow (the difference being iirc that Floor Flow doesn't include walls/doors) and you can designate your zones just like you can rooms from buildings.
serious? oh man there's always something more to learn.

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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2010, 10:15:53 am »

another way to avoid parties is the mass dumping of stone.

From my experience, parties only form if A) a couple gets married, or B) you've got dwarves who are idle for too long. You cant do much about the first group, but you can keep your dwarves busy by mass dumping stone from one place to another.

If you decide to go with the mass dumping route, you'll want to turn off stone hauling on your important dwarves (IE dwarves who you need to be on their profession 24/7, like managers or brokers, or brewers) Also, should something important pop up, you'll want to halt the dumping job to free up your other dwarves.

Stone Dumping is, in this manner, a wasteful job, a more economical idea would be to expand your workshops, and have your dwarves actually doing real work (rather than busy stuff)
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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2010, 10:35:29 am »

Its always good to have a meeting zone created from an activity zone and not furniture. That way your dwarves will tend to be in roughly the same spot when idle, and hopefully that spot is a safe spot.

Or it could be under a drawbridge pulled randomly if you like living on the edge.

Larger meeting zones mean fewer dwarf relationships as everyone is spread out. A tiny, 1x1 meeting zone will mean lots of relationships.

When idle dwarves stand in random spots of a meeting zone, including moving between meeting zones. With clever use of meeting zones you can create very natural looking traffic patterns in your fortress. Larger or more meeting zones gives them more potential places they'll wander to while idle or on break.


Parties are only formed if a meeting zone is created from an item, like a table or statue.
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Xelek

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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2010, 05:47:49 pm »

Welcome to Dwarf Fortress.

The relationship between meeting hall and never-ending partying is well-known:
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Party (It's the same in 2010)

You can turn on the meeting zone for a bit if you are not busy with a mega project, want to have more babies, or to give some of your dwarfs a happy thought.
Hmm, I swear I checked the wiki last night before posting and it didn't clearly state so, but I was tired so I suppose I missed it. Still, I guess some of us learned a few things... I know I didn't realise you could switch the "painting" mode when making zones to flow.

I might be misunderstanding your post, too, but you say you can turn on meeting zones for a bit, but with my method, it can be turned on all the time, that way your dwarves still socialise but they still never party.
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Hyndis

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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2010, 05:51:55 pm »

Its been like that in the game since nearly forever.

Meeting zones made from an activity zone never have parties.

Meeting zones made from an item, like a table, statue, or well, can have parties. You can have up to 1 party per meeting zone, so if you want a party 24/7 fortress put about 10 different meeting zones overlapping in the same room from 10 different statues.

Your dwarves may die of dehydration from all of that partying...which doesn't make any sense even. Apparently dwarves party sober.
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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2010, 07:40:35 pm »

You can set up a bunch of workshops off of a magma tube, 100 z levels down, and set stockpiles there.  Your dwarfs will run all over the map and to that spot to fill it, climbing down all those stairs for one rock and then do it again and again.  It will keep them busy.  When you want to end those tasks just remove the stockpile designation.
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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2010, 07:54:11 pm »

Still, I guess some of us learned a few things... I know I didn't realise you could switch the "painting" mode when making zones to flow.

I think the painting mode is introduced in 2010... IIRC before you could only flow rooms assigned from items.

I might be misunderstanding your post, too, but you say you can turn on meeting zones for a bit, but with my method, it can be turned on all the time, that way your dwarves still socialise but they still never party.

Oh, I meant having meeting zones from items without enabling meeting hall. When you want your dwarfs to have some fun, you turn meeting hall on, and re-designate the zone when you want them to get back to work.
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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2010, 07:55:42 pm »

Yeah, if you have so many idle dorfs that they throw endless parties, its best to find a better use for them and to change your population cap in the .int.

I find that expanding your fortress with pointless new rooms and annexes and having an army of engravers detail everything is a good cure for idle dwarves.
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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2010, 10:44:43 pm »

You can never have enough spearcatchers.

Also, haulers and masons are always valuable for megaprojects.
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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2010, 06:08:17 am »

Parties are for tallfolk.
Dwarves work all day then they work all night.
For a month.
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Re: Avoiding parties!
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2010, 08:08:50 am »

Work you cares away,
Dancing's for another day.
Let the Fraggles play,
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