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[Josephus]

You've got some nerve saying that the entirety of students don't care what happens in their future.
Also, metalslime, you are lonely.

I have seen them with my own eyes. They don't care.

If I was lonely, then I think I'd know it.

That depends on how valid you think Freud is.

Freudian Psychology is the most invalid psychological theory there is. Freud never backed up his ideas, only claiming that any deviance from his norm was the result of repressed memories. I know how I feel, as invalid a concept is in today's psychology. Not to venture into Happyologist insanity, but I am of the opinion that most psycologists are only out there to make as much money as they can, and diagnosing their patients disorders will give them a reputation. The actual existance of said disorders dosen't matter, because more patients diagnosed equals a better reputation, and thus more profit.

Obviously you had a traumatic experience with psychodynamic psychologists in the past, which you have repressed. This is expressed by your Ego as a conviction that Freud is invalid*.

*This is why psychoanalysis is hilarious. It basically amounts to "You're wrong because you are"

[MrWiggles]

Oh come, there is validity to psychology. Neurology has backed up a fair amount of psychology. Its just a pansy soft science, so it can only do so much.

[Grakelin]

Aah, a die-hard capitalist, I see. You would also agree on scaling back our taxes to incredibly large degrees, right? After all, it's not necessary to pay taxes once the benefits are gone.

Incidentally, that's what taxes are. A public fund that everybody (even you!) gets to draw from when their moment of need arises. The only reason anybody is considered to have a right to this stuff is because everybody is paying in a substantial portion of their income to get it in the first place.

A large part of this depends on how much money a person makes. Richer people receive less benefits from taxes and pay more in, so they don't really like social welfare. For example: my family is richer, so I get to be a little biased against taxes. There are also some obvious reasons to dislike giving people welfare that don't seem to deserve it.

Social security and medicare are two big things that I particularly don't like because everybody gets them no matter what and it costs so damn much. If the age that people received it was pushed back and it was only given to poor elderly people then it wouldn't be so bloated.
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Education is a good thing for everybody though; I think the majority of people can agree with that. Makes the world less stupid and improves the economy overall. Sadly, teachers haven't improved even as we pump money into the education system. Since teachers are probably the most important factor in education, they should probably get paid a lot more. All the resources in the world won't help if we have crappy teachers.

Honestly I think the derail at least shows that Americans would rather work on other things first than give away free Internet. <- trying to tie derail and rant into topic 

The vast majority of social security already goes to the elderly. A lot also goes to unemployed people. In the USA's current situation, it is especially ignorant to say that unemployed is equal to lazy and undeserving. A lot also goes to disabled people.

A minority actually goes to people who are morally reprehensible or abusing the system.

Restricting medicare to elderly people misses the point, incidentally.

EDIT: Also, stop being a pseudo-emo and go read some other teen posts, MCH. I think there's a site somewhere out there where young people used to write online journal entries. That's a good start. It's hilarious, and you'll realize you're just like them.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

EDIT: Also, stop being a pseudo-emo and go read some other teen posts, MCH. I think there's a site somewhere out there where young people used to write online journal entries. That's a good start. It's hilarious, and you'll realize you're just like them.

Pseudo-emo? How many damn times must I say that I am not lonely before it becomes clear that-*DRAMATIC GASP* I am not lonely! Please, spare me your livejournal insults. I've never even been to that website. I was trying to prove my point through personal observations about the school system as I see it, not to be an attention whore.

[Grakelin]

Students on the whole, do not fucking care. They don't care about their future, or being a intelligent individual. They don't care about the long-term. What they care about is gossip, cellphones, and their fucking Facebook status. The very microculture of students in this generation is anti-intellectual, lazy, and hateful. They care about being "recognized" while doing nothing at all, for this is how they percive their celebrity icons. Almost none of them seem to care about learning anything besides the next meaningless corporate trend, and would leave school for good if given the chance. Anyone who deviates from this conglomerate of stupidity becomes a social outcast, causing this madness to become a learned behavior. In short: They. Are. Hopeless.

Pseudo-emo? How many damn times must I say that I am not lonely before it becomes clear that-*DRAMATIC GASP* I am not lonely! Please, spare me your livejournal insults. I've never even been to that website. I was trying to prove my point through personal observations about the school system as I see it, not to be an attention whore.

Okay dude, sure. I apologize. You're not an angst-ridden teen.

I made a serious suggestion, though.

[HideousBeing]

The vast majority of social security already goes to the elderly. A lot also goes to unemployed people. In the USA's current situation, it is especially ignorant to say that unemployed is equal to lazy and undeserving. A lot also goes to disabled people.

A minority actually goes to people who are morally reprehensible or abusing the system.

Restricting medicare to elderly people misses the point, incidentally.

Just to be clear

I'm upset about
- Elderly getting benefits even if they have plenty of money to live off of.
- The fairly large amount of fraud/abuse that exists in the system aka people that don't deserve it (NOT people out of a job temporarily or disabled people)
- The absurd costs of the systems in general (estimated to go up a lot very soon) and knowing that it's going to bankrupt us as is, but also nobody doing anything about it (It's a big deal; they've known we were going to have problems around now since the programs started)

I consider myself slightly biased toward lowering taxes over social programs in general because
- My family is relatively rich
- I live in a very Republican state

I have a horrible habit of actually realizing this... 

[Grakelin]

I agree that social benefits to the elderly need to be scaled to their personal wealth. I also agree with actually taxing rich people enough to actually pay off the system.

[Urist Imiknorris]

I would ask if this thread has been derailed, but I'm not sure it ever had much of a rail to begin with.

[Zangi]

If you think the Mericano government is having problems with its debts now....  wait until the baby boomers hit that age.

Borrow, borrow and then borrow some more, from China.

Balanced Mericano budget?  Impossible.

[Renault]

If you think the Mericano government is having problems with its debts now....  wait until the baby boomers hit that age.

Borrow, borrow and then borrow some more, from China.

Balanced Mericano budget?  Impossible.

Had you posted that a few years ago, you'd sound prophetic. As is, you sound a little silly. The baby boomers ARE that age. And the government is borrowing quite heavily. Theres really no dire future awaiting, its very much arriving as we speak.
And even with those added obligations, the idea that a balanced budget is "impossible" is rather silly. Hell, Clinton ran a balanced budget. You're being a little alarmist.
As for the China thing, why is everyone so hung up on that? Only 28% or so of the debt is foreign, and China is only a quarter of that. They own just under  900 billion dollars of Treasury Bonds. Its a lot to individuals, but its not exactly going to destabilize the government, you know.

[MrWiggles]

And what is China going to do? Stop trading with on of their largest export clients?

[Euld]

I need to stop reading the title of this thread as "would people be smarter if internet access were on fire?"

[Josephus]

And what is China going to do? Stop trading with on of their largest export clients?

Yes, and then explode the shit out of them.

That doesn't make sense, but it would be cool as all hell.

[Muz]

You guys need to start making derail threads so we don't get confused about what the discussion is

[HideousBeing]

Yeah probably. Also, not all baby boomers are 65+ (pretty sure not most?). Once they are, shit is gonna go down.