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Favorite Black and White Starter Creature

Tiger
- 33 (37.5%)
Cow
- 10 (11.4%)
Ape
- 23 (26.1%)
Mandrill
- 3 (3.4%)
Horse
- 9 (10.2%)
Gorilla
- 2 (2.3%)
Leopard
- 8 (9.1%)

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Author Topic: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)  (Read 35046 times)

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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2010, 02:29:06 pm »

I tie my creature to a rock on the other side of the map. Don't mess with my temple, don't bother my worshippers, don't stomp around the village.
 
Then I just tie him to a neutral village and let him kick around in there.
 
Basically, I'd be a good god with an evil creature that I sometimes find it nessicary to inflict upon the Heathens.
 
He starves to death, teleports home, I feed him some villagers or something, and send him back; he's not quite smart enough to eat.
 
That way, if anything goes wrong, I just stop feeding him.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2010, 04:58:43 pm »

i like this game but it takes forever to get moveing.
i did know how to get a army of undead guys in the second game
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2010, 07:09:49 pm »

I'd much like to start that game up again and actually beat it this time, but first I have to figure out how to use the creature, I suppose.

...Anyone got a guide? ha
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2010, 07:12:59 pm »

Just follow the tutorial and you should be fine. Otherwise, check www.gamefaqs.com, that's where I learned a lot :)
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2010, 09:06:21 pm »

Anybody have P5DLL.dll?

Bah, I HATE DLLs.

Dug it up on one of those sleazy "DLL helper" sites.

OK, yeah, I think we got everything working!
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2010, 09:31:06 pm »

I'm so lazy I'm considering just torrenting the game despite the fact I can see the disc from here.

...It's just barely out of my reach...
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2010, 10:02:56 pm »

Creature training is easy. Slap him and the last action/thought/behavior they had gets negatively reinforced. Pet him and it gets positively reinforced. Learning leash makes them learn the miracles you're casting when you're holding it, and teaches them actions the hand undertakes. Fluffy leash makes them prefer nice actions, aggressive leash jerk actions.

The only thing to remember is, if you want them to do or NOT do something, you need to be there to either reward or punish it the first time or two it happens. Otherwise the creature gets its own ideas about the action/behavior, and even if you discipline them later, they'll always prefer the way they decided before. Pets can't unlearn things once they've learned them, and you have to punish the crap out of a learned behavior to make them do it less.

B&W may be the best dog AI simulation to date :P
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2010, 10:09:08 pm »

I'm so lazy I'm considering just torrenting the game despite the fact I can see the disc from here.

...It's just barely out of my reach...
Why would you install the 1.3 patch if you don't have the p5 glove thing, that is literally the only thing that patch does.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2010, 11:11:57 pm »

I'm so lazy I'm considering just torrenting the game despite the fact I can see the disc from here.

...It's just barely out of my reach...
Why would you install the 1.3 patch if you don't have the p5 glove thing, that is literally the only thing that patch does.

Changelogs are overrated. Downloading the latest patch first and asking questions later is the way to do it  :P
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2010, 11:26:59 pm »

Yeah, few engineers I know would miss the opprotunity to add a small stability fix here or there, even a trivial one.

Besides, what if someone DOES have the glove thing? We need to be compatible.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2010, 11:38:22 pm »

What I'd like to know is how NEOphyte's post has anything to do whatsoever with my own post.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2010, 11:40:25 pm »

What I'd like to know is how NEOphyte's post has anything to do whatsoever with my own post.
I'm used to forums where the quote button is UNDER the post you're quoting.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2010, 01:21:43 am »

The only thing to remember is, if you want them to do or NOT do something, you need to be there to either reward or punish it the first time or two it happens. Otherwise the creature gets its own ideas about the action/behavior, and even if you discipline them later, they'll always prefer the way they decided before. Pets can't unlearn things once they've learned them, and you have to punish the crap out of a learned behavior to make them do it less.

Also, don't let them eat fish.  Fish are for only fit for villagers.  If your creature eats fish, they will get hungrier and you will get more evil.

Strange bug.  Slightly hilarious, but still strange.

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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2010, 08:31:10 am »

Does the horse creature become Evil when you teach him to eat horses?

The only thing to remember is, if you want them to do or NOT do something, you need to be there to either reward or punish it the first time or two it happens. Otherwise the creature gets its own ideas about the action/behavior, and even if you discipline them later, they'll always prefer the way they decided before. Pets can't unlearn things once they've learned them, and you have to punish the crap out of a learned behavior to make them do it less.

Also, don't let them eat fish.  Fish are for only fit for villagers.  If your creature eats fish, they will get hungrier and you will get more evil.

Strange bug.  Slightly hilarious, but still strange.
It could be that their swallowing seawater. Then again, they drink ocean water when their thirsty.

I wonder how that bug works, since fish is supposed to turn into grain when you pick it up or when a villager delivers it.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2010, 11:02:22 am »

Yeah, picking fish up and dropping them somewhere will turn them into grain, which is perfectly fine for eating.  If your critter goes and eats fish straight from the school however, they will "learn" to be hungrier, and you will get a few ticks towards the dark side.

This is great if you're training a creature who will devour everything in its path in honor of its dark and powerful master...  But if you're just trying to be a nice guy, it can be incredibly irritating to just keep those bats away from your temple!  And having that big lug consume greater and greater amounts of food isn't helping.
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