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Favorite Black and White Starter Creature

Tiger
- 33 (37.5%)
Cow
- 10 (11.4%)
Ape
- 23 (26.1%)
Mandrill
- 3 (3.4%)
Horse
- 9 (10.2%)
Gorilla
- 2 (2.3%)
Leopard
- 8 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 88


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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2010, 05:57:34 pm »

Try here

Include both client and lobby, but I didn't try it.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2010, 05:58:20 pm »

What, it- arghhh!

Oh, whew!
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2010, 06:02:57 pm »

-glances at similar files list-
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2010, 07:30:48 pm »

I refuse to play a game where the AI cheats.  Yes, you can mess with things outside of your influence for a couple of seconds.  But that doesnt give the AI an excuse to remove every tree I place in my worship area, even when they are about dead.  Seems like theres only an artifical stopper to keep them from grabbing every last one of your villagers and sacrificing them.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2010, 08:22:49 pm »

Black and White was a great game

Black and White 2 was trying to listen to the players too much and limited the control as a god and made it less sand boxy.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2010, 08:55:12 pm »

I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of...  They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).

Uh... do tell?

Build a spell dispenser or whatever they are called, drop your spell on it to make a one-shot miracle. Grab (not tap) the bubble and hand it over to your creature, it should partly learn the spell as if you had casted it. Make sure to make it drop before it actually cast it or eat it... stupid tiger. Rinse and repeat until it reaches 100%.
Yep, that's the stuff.  So far as I could tell, that was pretty much the only use for those things, since they refused to actually generate new bubbles on their own.  I think the creature may even have learned the spell faster that way.

I really can't see why you'd teach your critter mega blast though...  Sure, the bragging rights are great, but it's awfully expensive in terms of fatigue and hunger, the creature can quite easily get caught in the blast (of course, I've had creatures unload an entire blast of lightning into themselves, so...), and it takes frikkin' years to get them to learn it all the way.  And for all that, there's not much more accomplished than what a good ol' lightning spell or a couple fireballs could whip up.

I mean, if I'm going to utterly demolish a town with an upgraded megablast storm...  I want to have the honor of doing it myself.


I think I made a critter eat a spell bubble one time...  I don't think it went over all that well.
I think the point of teaching your creature Megablast is that you don't teach your creature Megablast.

The method I use is just tap-cast the spell until it learns a bit, and wave off whatever's left. It's less of a hassle, and you don't need to grow your creature any to hold the seed.

And actually, the difference between Megablast and a lot of Fireballs/Lightnings is that Megablast annihilates buildings. Burning and smashing buildings shuts it down, but they can almost always be repaired(there might be a point where it really gets destroyed), but a Megablast erases it completely. All that's left is a black spot, which looks eerily like a nuclear shadow. Might cause strange things to happen if you nuke a Village Center, I'm not sure.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2010, 09:12:54 pm »

If the black spot is there, that means the building is actually still capable of being repaired.  Just about the only way to utterly destroy a building is through fire, as the building burns all the way down to that shadow and then there's a little "zap" where an image of the full building appears and then disintegrates.  Then it's gone for good.  It is exceptionally difficult to destroy something outright through physical punishment, but fire works rather well, but it needs something to light up to start with.  It's very difficult to get rid of those shadows, if that's what you're working with.

I'm surprised no one was interested in how to resurrect dead peasants...  I'd have thought that skeletal villagers would be quite interesting for y'all.

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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2010, 09:19:08 pm »

I'll bite: how do you resurrect peasants?
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2010, 09:35:28 pm »

Teleport.  Just set up two (or more, if you don't want to know where the dude ends up) portals, and wait for someone to die (or help them along).  Once you've got a suitably dead person (can be either skeletal or nabbed before their soul runs off, so they still have their skin.  Doesn't matter), pick up the body and drop it into the one portal.

Over on the other portal, the corpse will emerge from the spinning vortex with 1% health.  They will crawl on their hands and knees all the way to their house, whereupon they will rest until they have 100% health.

Once that's done, they will pop out of their house and run about doing various tasks.  They will never eat again, but they do go back to their homes at night (out of habit).  They also don't make any noise.  I'm actually not sure how they act with worship...  Should be rather interesting though, since they don't get hungry or tired.

Now, there are a couple oddities with these guys...  First of all, if the city they come from doesn't have a graveyard, they'll disrupt the populace by having a bunch of mourners following them around wherever they go.  Even if it does have a graveyard, the dead and the living don't mix too well...  Living villagers seem to get spooked by the walking dead.

Second, don't pick them up.  If you do, they'll instantly revert to a fully dead state and you'll have to send them through the portals again (you can do this as many times as you like, so long as you have a body).  This means no undead disciples.

As the dead, they're also not too good about breeding.  Expect an entirely stable village population.  Due to the way they disrupt living villagers and don't need the food-based infrastructure of normal villages, it might be helpful to have a separate village to stick them in.  Just take the elderly and the infirm from your regular towns, migrate them over to the village of the dead, and then wait for them to die (again, this process can be helped).  Then it's just a matter of shootin' them through the teleport channel.

This can be quite fun in longer games, as you'll end up with a number of villagers who are hundreds of years old.  And if you keep all the villagers of a particular race as dead people, you might be able to see just how well the dead give you worship.


This process can be used on anyone.  Men, women, children, pre-resurrected individuals...  As long as they can be shoved into a portal, they can come out the other side with new unlife.

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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2010, 09:55:36 pm »

That's horribly wonderful.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2010, 12:59:20 am »

How popular is the rebooted multiplayer scene?

Back when Lionhead had actual rankings for it, I managed to hit #3 (worldwide). Fantastic fun, everyone had their own winning strategies... I still remember exactly what needed to be done to win a 1v1 match against almost anyone. :D

If there's prey competition out there, I'd love to jump back in to the fray. It's been a long time since I was good at any multiplayer games. :P
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2010, 01:46:53 am »

I really liked the old Black & White game, and still have it, but could never bring myself to beat it and I don't even have any clue how to play the game. My pet always just sat around doing nothing because I never really figured out how to use him.


Not to mention the 60 hour long tutorial.
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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2010, 01:12:19 pm »

I once had a giant cow creature that could cast every single miracle, including Megablast. I raised him to be a Good creature, so I didn't see much of his destructive force in action but hot damn, I could send him into a town, he'd cast flock of doves, storm (the friendly'ish one), filled the storage to the brink with wood and food and healed every single person in town.
 It was so sweet to look at, but then, my save got corrupted :( I was playing it on vista, ALWAYS run the game in administrator mode.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2010, 01:18:40 pm »

I used to have a backed up creature file somewhere that knew everything except for the two upgraded megablasts, because even with a chimp, those took AGES to even get 1% learned. Also, you had to actually cast them, as you couldn't bubbleteach upgraded versions.
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Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2010, 01:21:27 pm »

I remember the village building in te first game where new buildings cost more than the last. Plus I was always evil even when I didn't want to be  ::)
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