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[Leafsnail]

I can replace if you still need one.

I'll read this hugeass thread tomorrow, now I've caught up on MSPA.

[webadict]

Role sent. Go.

[Mr.Person]

It's not that ToonyMan is tunelling without evidence, it's that he's acting stupid. Key word there is ACTING. He's not actually stupid, he's pretending to be stupid so that people don't suspect him.

Look, Org knows enough to explain himself and generally not be an idiot. Yet for some reason here he is being an idiot. The only reason he'd do so is because he's acting. The only people who would want to act to not get lynched are scum. (And if he is town, lynch his stupid ass until he learns to fucking play the game.)

These look suspiciously exactly the same. SarBeyar pointed this out but he shouldn't have buried it in spoilers.

Yeah, they're the exact same argument, pretty much. So what's wrong with the argument? Is it flawed?

Further, you have yet to vote anybody today.

I find it difficult to believe that you could be town when 1) you vote for two townies that practically lynched themselves for the exact same reason, and 2) you don't find anybody else suspicious enough to vote, especially today during milo.

So leading a mislynch is scummy now? I'd personally find the people doing nothing much scummier than the people leading or even following mislynches.

Also, you're seriously naive if you think I don't have any scum picks. That's an incorrect assumption you made based on the fact I'm not voting, and you know what assuming does. Since you're just going to ask, Lonewolf and Jokerman. Particularly Lonewolf. Course, you are right that I really should be voting, I just wanted to have a more dramatic thing going where I tore apart Lonewolf's defense then voted him, hopefully convincing another player to jump in as well. Sadly, Lonewolf being gone has made that dream not happen. Oh well, Vote Lonewolf

[Leafsnail]

I'll read this game tomorrow.  However, in the meantime, anyone care to give me an analysis of what's been going on recently?  Concise is fine.

[Toaster]

Can we extend a day to let Leafsnail (who said you could change your avatar?) catch up?

D1:  Toony acted crazy and got lynched for it.
D2:  Org acted crazy and got lynched for it.  There was a long back and forth between Person and myself/Bayer.
D3:  Just read this day, it's only 40ish posts.

Leafsnail, since you're here:
Your predecessor spent most of D1 throwing off newtells and being clueless.  Come this post, his tone changes greatly.  Why do you think this is the case?

Besides that, standard questions- who do you suspect and why.

[webadict]

Vote Count
------------------------
Toaster -
Lonewolf I - Toaster, Mr.Person,
Mr.Person - Lonewolf I, Jim Groovester,
Jim Groovester -
Jokerman-EXE - SirBayer,
abculatter_2 -
SirBayer - Jokerman-EXE,
Bandages -

Not voting - abculatter_2, Bandages,

Day ends on Wednesday 9 PM Central. 1 Extension Requested.

Day Extended to Friday 9 PM Central.

[Bandages]

Okay,

Lonewolf, you need to answer your suspicions right now. I will have no qualms in casting the deciding vote on you if you're willing to just say something incredibly scummy then fail to post for the rest of the day.

Mr.Person why do you think you're tied for the most votes with Lonewolf?

Leafsnail when you're done reading the thread, I'd love to know how you feel about each player.

[SirBayer]

These look suspiciously exactly the same. SarBeyar pointed this out but he shouldn't have buried it in spoilers.

>:I

This is a dangerous game we play.

I'll stop if you will.

Roger. XD

(The face was about the "buried in quotes" thing, actually. Although hey it'd be hypocritical of me to say "YOU MUST READ ALL THE SPOILERS OR YOU ARE A BAD PERSON" since I don't do it either.)

While ignoring the vaguely suspicious buddying I could point out, I gotta say I think I've hit gold. I'll consider the Mr. Person thing, I kinda changed my mind about him after I went at 'im.

And Joe WAS trying to coast through. I grabbed him.

Fuck buddying. We're going to lose if we can't pull our votes together to hit scum.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's milo. We might end up having lylo tomorrow due to vote mechanics, but it's a bad idea to count on that happening.

Roger again. I can accept that.

Hit up Joe with me here. I'm on to something.

I'll submit for an extension too. Leafsnail deserves time to get caught up. Hello, Leafsnail.

[SirBayer]

Further, you have yet to vote anybody today.

I find it difficult to believe that you could be town when 1) you vote for two townies that practically lynched themselves for the exact same reason, and 2) you don't find anybody else suspicious enough to vote, especially today during milo.

So leading a mislynch is scummy now? I'd personally find the people doing nothing much scummier than the people leading or even following mislynches.

Also, you're seriously naive if you think I don't have any scum picks. That's an incorrect assumption you made based on the fact I'm not voting, and you know what assuming does. Since you're just going to ask, Lonewolf and Jokerman. Particularly Lonewolf. Course, you are right that I really should be voting, I just wanted to have a more dramatic thing going where I tore apart Lonewolf's defense then voted him, hopefully convincing another player to jump in as well. Sadly, Lonewolf being gone has made that dream not happen. Oh well, Vote Lonewolf

I who what now.

So uh. Hey, maybe I changed my mind about that whole towny-ship thing. Right here and now.

Since as far as I can tell, you a. only voted when pressured, b. were waiting on a player you knew was inactive without doing any other sort of work, and c. wanted drama. A big flare to consume the attentions of the rest of the town - then either a big "Hurrah!" after you bussed your scumbuddy or the exact same let-down "Awwwww. Well, let's try again!" after you lynched a townie.

Also: Reading into Jim's post, I point out that you only really voted so far on the easy lynches. The loud townies who weren't helping out much. Gee, that's not scummy at all.

[Jim Groovester]

SirBayer pretty much summed up why I suspect you. Going after easy lynches, being lazy with your reasons for votes, lurking through milo; this is not your normally strong town game. The only explanation is that you're scum.

You're not going to convince me otherwise at this point, but I'll play along. What makes Lonewolf I scummier than Jokerman-EXE to you right now? I really want to hear this.

I'll read this game tomorrow.  However, in the meantime, anyone care to give me an analysis of what's been going on recently?  Concise is fine.

This is as good as any a time to remind you that I always know when you're scum.

Roger again. I can accept that.

Hit up Joe with me here. I'm on to something.

Oh, I know. Jokerman-EXE is totally scum, too. I'll switch my vote if it guarantees a lynch on Mr. Person or Jokerman-EXE, but I'll wait until the deadline comes to do that.

[Leafsnail]

So, to begin.

Spoiler: Thoughts while reading through (click to show/hide)

First few pages are normal, I guess.  No idea what Org is doing.  No idea what Lonewolf is saying.  Jim Groovester seems to be going too far with everything and rolefishing.  Bad sign.

A votekiller would be pretty funny.

Anyway, since I'm still waiting for Bayer, I'll bug someone else in the meantime.

Person:  Do you believe Org's claim?

Jokerman:  Which two people here would you least like to be on a scum team with you?

^Active lurking.

Jim: No.

Toaster: Least want on my team? abculatter and Bandages, probably. They're the least experienced.

^Scummy.

Unvote.

ToonyMan. For little bullshits like this:

The scum is provoked!

Aside from doing a terrific job of pissing me off, he hasn't really made any attempt to do anything. So I think he's scum trying to avoid doing any real work by focusing on one person, namely me, and show how 'tough' he's being by harassing me at every move.

abculatter_2 get your ass in here and get to work.

Changes votes to ToonyMan even though he hasn't said anything since previous post.  Poor reasoning (that could apply to Toony every game).  Ends by prodding newby lurker.

Criptfeind:  You're jumpy, and not doing a great job of paying attention.  Name two players you think are scummed together.

ToonyMan:  Do you really think your hunting methodology is effective?  What do you intend to do with the attention you've drawn to yourself?

Pandar:  You said you'd RVS until you got your role.  Surely you have it by now, but all you've done is throw one vote.  Do you not see anything else worth commenting on?

^Active lurking.

Bandages: My feel is there's a lot of fluff and very little content.  What's your feel?

Heh.

<snip>

Chainsaw defence.  Noted.

Well at the moment, the person giving me the most scummy vibes is Toony. I can see his actions this game as a way of being so over-the-top that no one would think he's actually a scum.

Also, Criptfiend was giving off some vibes earlier, but he and Mr. Person's dialogue has resolved some of my suspicions towards him.

You as well have been very active in a lot of arguments so far, but activity does not always mean scum.

Satisfied?

Passive.  Terrible arguments.  Noted.

God damn it ToonyMan, you've got enough of a train on your ass that I didn't want to vote you for pressure, but you honestly deserve it. That last post was deflection and a passive "attack" on Bandages. Get your shit together or die, dude.

Bandwagon joined.  Day one lynch was a nice, clean job, it seemed.

ToonyMan - Criptfeind, Jim Groovester, Mr.Person, Org, Jokerman-EXE, abculatter_2, [6]
Toaster - [X]
Lonewolf I - [X]
Mr.Person - [X]
Jim Groovester - ToonyMan, [1]
Org - Pandarsenic, [1]
Jokerman-EXE - [X]
abculatter_2 - SirBayer, Toaster, [2]
SirBayer - [X]
Bandages - [X]
Criptfeind - Bandages, Lonewolf I, [2]
Pandarsenic - [X]

So, from the looks of things, Jim Groovester and Jokerman-EXE are scum.  Both bandwagonned, both had hard hitting but weak reasons.  In any case, I'm reading Mr.Person town, and I'm thinking 2 scum were on Toony's wagon.

JG seems to calm down somewhat on the second day.  Presumably knowing he's likely to be under suspicion following the Toony mislynch.

Jokerman-EXE: I don't recall you saying anything in a while. What are your suspicions at the moment?

Much lighter touch for Jokerman here.  Interesting, no?

Toaster continues to activelurk.  Horribly.

I don't have anyone as especially scummy besides Org, but then again, I don't really need anyone else. Can't lynch twice (ok, we can, but we PROBABLY won't be lynching twice.)

Worse from Mr.Person.  Strange how his only read is on the one-who-almost-noone-can-read?

Day 2 lynch just sortof gradually trundles along with noone making much attempt to change it.

Jokerman-EXE,

Jokerman-EXE: Did you realize you were setting up a three way tie for the lynch when you voted Sir Bayer?

Because... you helped to break that tie, I suppose?

Leafsnail, since you're here:
Your predecessor spent most of D1 throwing off newtells and being clueless.  Come this post, his tone changes greatly.  Why do you think this is the case?

Newb being new.

Anyway.  We need to roleclaim.  FoS on anyone who's trying to push through a mylo lynch without one.

I am an Ice Cream Voter (in case the first post my predecessor made didn't make that completely obvious).  The person I vote for becomes vanilla in the night.

Now, for scumpicks:

Jokerman-EXE, and one of Mr.Person and Jim Groovester.  Day one made me think Jim, day two made me think Mr.Person.  Mr.Person is now far more likely scum with Jokerman-EXE, so he's on my list.

And finally?  Toaster.  Passivity all around.  Activelurking all around.  Posts have been getting longer recently, but with no real content.  Bandages is a similar case, but gut says Toaster.

[Lonewolf I]

My money's on Org for scum.  What do you think, Lonewolf?
Org? Nah.  It'll be Bandages. I've a feeling his number finally came up.
Time will tell, I suppose.
Ima go out on a limb and say Jim and Toonyman are his scumbuddies.
Very funny.
Are you blind?  They're clearly trying to distance one another!
They're just making conversation.
Oh, really?  How do you know that?  You must be scum!
RVS is over!  Lonewolf is scum!  He's trying to start a bandwagon on me!

I get to give someone an extra vote at night, to be used the following day.  I forgot to do it N1, and N2 I stuck it on Jim.

Lonewolf, you need to answer your suspicions right now.

And those are what?  Rolefishing, buddying, and WIFOM, all stemming from that one post?  It's MyLo, my friend.  Laying out roles, taking sides, and finding scum is what we need to be doing.  As for the WIFOM, I laid out my reasoning for Jim's being town as clearly as I could.  Some of it is WIFOM, but it's personal WIFOM and rather than trying to confuse town with it, I've chosen my cup, taken a long draught, and am ready for the consequences.

I just wanted to have a more dramatic thing going where I tore apart Lonewolf's defense then voted him, hopefully convincing another player to jump in as well. Sadly, Lonewolf being gone has made that dream not happen. Oh well, Vote Lonewolf

So, not only are you OMGUSing, you admit that you're trying to get me lynched through bandwagoning?

[Jim Groovester]

So, to begin.

Spoiler: Snip (click to show/hide)

Anyway.  We need to roleclaim.  FoS on anyone who's trying to push through a mylo lynch without one.

I am an Ice Cream Voter (in case the first post my predecessor made didn't make that completely obvious).  The person I vote for becomes vanilla in the night.

Now, for scumpicks:

Jokerman-EXE, and one of Mr.Person and Jim Groovester.  Day one made me think Jim, day two made me think Mr.Person.  Mr.Person is now far more likely scum with Jokerman-EXE, so he's on my list.

Nice bus.

I'm not going to claim. Not today anyway. I think it's completely unnecessary right now. Mass claims are suppose to help the town make decisions about who is and who is not scum. But we've already made those decisions, all based on very solid evidence. The town would be revealing all its power roles and would gain very little in return.

There's also the small matter that I do not trust you or your motives for asking for the mass claim.

And finally?  Toaster.  Passivity all around.  Activelurking all around.  Posts have been getting longer recently, but with no real content.  Bandages is a similar case, but gut says Toaster.

And what, pray tell, makes you think that? Those are all very broad and general accusations to make, most of which are difficult to prove or disprove.

Tell me, how do Toaster's posts lack content, specifically? How about his most recent post? Does that lack content?

I get to give someone an extra vote at night, to be used the following day.  I forgot to do it N1, and N2 I stuck it on Jim.

I can confirm this. I even figured that it was you who gave it to me.

[Toaster]

Leafsnail:  Ok, you threw suspicions on me without evidence.  Yes, you could quote my post from earlier about Bandages, but I then backed it up.  So put up or shut up.

Also, you didn't answer me.

Leafsnail, since you're here:
Your predecessor spent most of D1 throwing off newtells and being clueless.  Come this post, his tone changes greatly.  Why do you think this is the case?

Bandages, you're still bugging me.  You hit me hard asking for evidence, and I gave you a truckload.  You... then completely ignored it?  What gives?  Don't think I've forgotten about you.


If anyone is lurking through mylo, it's Jokerman.  He hasn't so much as posted since my attacks, and since I looked back to see his last post, it's been 72 hours.  Web, prod please?  Joker, when you wake up, please explain your reasoning here:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Mr.Person is being ohmyfreakinggod so goddam verbose. I've never seen so much writing from one person before. Maybe a scumtell, or maybe he's just really excited this round. Hard to tell. I don't want to say he's scum yet, but by no means do I think he's clear.

Being verbose would be a hilariously bad scumtell since you'd be lynching me for doing what everybody's supposed to be doing. But hey, whatever. Ignore me and try and find cookie-cutter scumtells. Ignore the fact that different players have different scumtells. Ignore context. Ignore the content of my posts like my thoughts and actions. Ignore that shit, you've gotta find the scumtells!

And either way, this post was totally useless. You just say "Mr.Person could be scum since he's talking". What purpose does this serve? The only thing I can think of is getting other people to think I'm scum.. but you didn't say you thought I was scum. You said I might be scum. So you're being passive, very scummy of you.

Okay, why are you being so defensive? At no point did I accuse you of being scummy for talking or anything. You're blowing it extremely out of proportion which, as far as I'm concerned, is the scummiest thing you've done so far. Someone asked me what I thought of the current players, and I thought you talked a lot. Period. You're the one turning this into a thing.

First Joker says Person's wordiness may be a scumtell.  When Person calls him on it, he says "At no point did I accuse you of being scummy for talking or anything."  That's straight up bullshit right there.  He then throws suspicion right back on Person for the "crime" of calling out Joker's crap.

This whole post of his is interesting, because it basically affirms that he's for lynching a lurker when there's plenty of other content out there for people to attack... and he's been lurking himself.

D3 he's been active, but as I said in my last post, he changed his style after being put under pressure.

You're also extremely hypocritical for lurking while your vote's on a lurker (now replaced).

[webadict]

Jokerman prodded. But, I dunno. Where is he?!?