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[Derakon]

Every once in a while I run into a situation where the region that I really want to use for my fort crosses the boundaries of the available grid. Maybe there's a vent in the upper-left corner of the region map, or a mountain that doesn't reach quite far enough to pick up some sand. It'd be nice if we could turn on a single-step scroll mode for the region map so we wouldn't be subject to this arbitrary limitation.

[Othob Rithol]

I don't think it is quite arbitrary, in that it likely has to do with the way the map is stored....meaning Toady'd have to tinker a bit. Just pointing that out, not pointing fingers.

But I completely agree. Another great rogue-like (Unreal World) went from block maps to seamless maps a short while back and it was just WOW.

There would be a few issues to resolve of course. Between reading this and posting  a reply, I have been scouting for a new fort site. I have a spot (found with regional prospector) where if I could straddle 4 maps at the corners, I could have 3 adamantine clusters in a 6x6 or so.

[HandOfCode]

I too would love to see a seamless world map so I could do things like make magma ducts (like an aqua duct, just don't know what "magma" is in Latin).

Also how am I supposed to enact my evil world domination plan if I can't escape my region

[LegoLord]

We do already have a semi-seamless world map in DF; it's just that it's only apparent in adventure mode.  I think it would mostly be some mild tinkering with the embark screen display.  Of course, I'm no expert at this.

[Blargityblarg]

I think that the main problem with this is that without some careful coding, if you had half a magma pipe on the map, IT WOULD FALL OFF THE EDGE OF THE WORLD.

Magma wastage makes baby Morul cry.

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I freud'd makes as bakes. Does that make me a bad person?

[LegoLord]

I think such things are already handled with things such as the major rivers that have waterfalls at certain points.

[Sensei]

I don't think that problem would arise because it's pretty much already demonstrably handled in Adventure mode.

[sonerohi]

I think that the main problem with this is that without some careful coding, if you had half a magma pipe on the map, IT WOULD FALL OFF THE EDGE OF THE WORLD.

Magma wastage makes baby Morul cry.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I freud'd makes as bakes. Does that make me a bad person?

Features like magma pipes are limited within 1 48x48, IIRC, map tile. It is impossible to select half of an embark tile, so such problems would not occur. Even so, magma currently does not flow off map at all anways. /owned.

[Sensei]

OMG. EPIPHANY.

DF NEEDS MAGMA RIVERS.

NOW.

[Deimos56]

OMG. EPIPHANY.

DF NEEDS MAGMA RIVERS.

NOW.

No.
Magma Oceans.

[Footkerchief]

OMG. EPIPHANY.

DF NEEDS MAGMA RIVERS.

NOW.

No.
Magma Oceans.

Magma oceans are likely to show up in the next version, much more likely than magma rivers.

Will other underground features use these caves as a framework?  Will cave rivers run through it with subterranean pools forming lakes?  What will actually differentiate these from the actual surface?

More to the point though, with this underground revamp, is there any plans with getting rid of the bizarre beginnings for cave rivers, so that they don't appear out of nothingness?

We were planning to run rivers this time around, but it's something of a hassle, so there aren't actually any flowing underground rivers yet.  They aren't essential for most things, as the giant lakes will provide infinite water from edges, but it'll be nice to put them in.  Not sure I'll have time.  Regarding the rivers appearing out of nothingness, it's kind of a tricky question, as rivers can be sourced by many different tiny water flows slowly building up as things go downhill, many of them just absorbed water in the ground.  Nothingness isn't all that different from that, especially if we don't want to put slight aquifer water everywhere that kind of forms into neglible trickles or something, as mining would then be a great hassle any time you also wanted to have a river starting up.  Real world examples of underground rivers sources (sources as in the beginning of a river, not a reference, though I guess that's an inadvertent pun) that are more interesting or modellable are welcome.

Also, underground lakes etc. will cross map edges all over the place in the next version.  They're too big not to.  So that feasibility concern is moot.

[BradB]

I suppose the caravan arc would incorporate this, you would be able to travel out with supplies and build aqueducts and other constructions off-map.

[Grek]

I too would love to see a seamless world map so I could do things like make magma ducts (like an aqua duct, just don't know what "magma" is in Latin).

[grammarnazi]
Magmat. Aquaduct is from the latin aquaeductūs, so the latin version would be magmatductūs. So it would be magmaducts.

However, since it would be going above ground, it would be lava, which comes from the italian lavo and the latin lavare (to wash). Latin noun would be lavarductūs, so the word you are looking for is lavarduct

[/grammarnazi]

[Footkerchief]

Magmat. Aquaduct is from the latin aquaeductūs, so the latin version would be magmatductūs. So it would be magmaducts.

However, since it would be going above ground, it would be lava, which comes from the italian lavo and the latin lavare (to wash). Latin noun would be lavarductūs, so the word you are looking for is lavarduct

[/grammarnazi]

That's not how Latin word formation works.  Chopping off the genitive ending -tis for "magmatductus" doesn't follow the aqua pattern at all, and I don't think "td" is a sound often used in Latin.  "Lavarductus" also chops off the infinitive in a very strange way, plus I don't think infinitives are mashed up with nouns like that, plus the etymology you're proposing ("washing-canal") would make no sense at all even if "lava" were a Latin word and not an Italian one.

"Magmaduct" is fine, but mostly because it sounds good and has an obvious meaning.

[LegoLord]

English needs to make it's own words sometime instead of ripping off every other language.  The Englishman that made this language is like the Dr. Frankenstein of languages, seriously.

Back on topic, just how would this be handled, on the embark screen?  Does anyone have any ideas how it would be presented?