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[SalmonGod]

I'd never actually looked at the numbers before.  In-game experience has just always been that Taric's heal boosts almost anybody up to full health no matter how low they are.  Soraka's heals have always seemed moderate in comparison.

[Dakk]

You forgot to consider a few things: taric's heal cooldown is reduced by 1 second on every autoattack, which means he can constantly heal himself and other people as he pushes minion waves and towers. Also, healing other people ALSO heals himself at the same time. If he uses it on himself he heals for a higher ammount.

EDIT: Actualy, its 2 seconds reduced per autoattack, one of the reasons people like to build attack speed on him I guess:

(Active): Taric channels earthen energy to heal his target. As the magic flows through them he is healed for the same amount. If Taric heals only himself, the heal will be 40% more effective. Melee attacks on enemies decrease this spell's cooldown by 2 seconds per hit.

The definition of enemies here is completely unescessary. Basicaly enemy is anything you can autoattack.
In the healing aspect, taric's heal is superior. He can use it more often then soraka can use her, heal himself and other people at the same time or heal himself for even more.

@SalmonGod: Dazzle is a weird spell that does more damage the closest the enemy is, or stuns for longer the farther the enemy was when it hit him. Sion's stun is more reliable, atough dazzle has better range and can actualy outdamage sion's death caress in close range with the same ammount of AP, but it won't stun for as long as death caress would then.

[umiman]

In that case, you should also take into account Alistar's heals since it works on the same principle but cools down even faster.

I'm just saying that there is no situation where Taric has the best heal in the game. He has a good heal, but not the "most insane heal". If he did, he would be the most OP character in the game.

Soraka is the most OP character in the game. 

[Dakk]

@alistar stuff: Erm, no?

@soraka stuff: Think about it like this: Taric has useful spells and a derp ultimate. Soraka has mostly derp spells and an awesome ultimate.

[umiman]

@alistar stuff: Erm, no?

@soraka stuff: Think about it like this: Taric has useful spells and a derp ultimate. Soraka has mostly derp spells and an awesome ultimate.

Pfft sez you.

Starcall is the best spell in the entire game!

[V-Norrec]

I've actually started AP Sion tanking because apparently everyone in the world hates tanking so we never have one in matched games.  I've been doing pretty respectably early game.  I'm wondering if I'm going in the right order for an AP tanking build.  First I buy a Mana Crystal, 1 Health Pot, 1 Mana Pot, then Mercury's Treads, followed by Banshees Veil.  After than I pick up Lich Bane, followed by Rod of Ages, and finally a Thornmail to give me some much needed Armor.  It seems to me though that going in this order, I'm pretty gibbed until I get high health from Minion Slaughtering.  I usually get about 125 Minions killed throughout the game and at 5 Enrage by Level 10, sometime 11 if I need the extra point in Death's Caress first (i.e. I'm being targeted by an assassin a lot).

My question is ultimately, I guess, how to get more survivability Mid-Game with an AP Sion Tank build.

[Nilocy]

I'd rather have a soraka in a lane as ashe than a taric. Free mana? Hell yah

[umiman]

I recommend switching your build to something like this:

mana crystal + pots -> boots 1 -> catalyst / RoA -> boots 2 -> MR / Armor item depending on enemy team -> Lich Bane -> MR / Armor item depending on enemy team

Also, 125 CS for Sion in one game is honestly very, very, very low. I think the reason why you are getting gibbed in mid-game is because you are underfarmed. Try to aim for 115 CS by 15 minutes and over 200 for one game.

[V-Norrec]

I try to last hit, but it always seems like I judge just a little bit too soon how when I should hit and some minion always gets it.  I suppose I'll get better with time.

[Dakk]

You don't have to last hit with sion after he gets his shield. Just make sure you have his E up when you blow minions to pieces so you can stack the HP bonuses. You don't have to directly kill minions with autoattack to get it, just killing them with it up works. Find minion wave, hit some while shield is up, blow shield, minion wave gone.
Farming with sion is so easy I usualy end up with deathcap as my third item.

[umiman]

Lee Sin champion spotlight released.

He looks pretty underpowered imho. Gimmicky character.

[Volatar]

Grumble grumble. So I get a couple friends together and play 3 games as roaming Annie. I do awesome all 3 times.

But since we didn't have 5 people, we had to have some pubbies.

Out of the 5 pubbies in those 3 games, all 5 of them fed, 3 of them feeding and then quitting before 20 minutes in.

Every single time I play a non-5-queue it ends up as such. Curse these idiots.

[Sirian]

About this soraka/taric thing, i like soraka better, but she's more like a support for mages and to counter the enemy mages, while taric is more geared toward helping and countering AD characters.

Taric's skill heals himself and his ally at the same time, but soraka's imbue gives mana to both her and an ally. She gives a passive magic resist bonus while Taric gives a passive armor bonus (and the stuff from his ulti, can't remember what it is). Soraka can instantly silence, Taric can stun with a delay. Starcall debuffs magic resist while Taric debuffs armor with his crystal explosion thing. So yea they're kinda balanced, but Taric can't instantly heal the whole team for a substantial amount across the whole map, period. Also, since her heal gives armor, she's still quite useful against AD.
Another funny thing i remembered : i played against a vlad mid, with soraka, and he couldt do a thing to me, because every time he closed on me to drain my HP, he got silenced and hit, and the little damage he could do, i could heal instantly.

Oh btw i just noticed, starcall's MR debuff can actually stack up to 20 times for a total of -160 MR o_O

[Bordellimies]

About this soraka/taric thing, i like soraka better, but she's more like a support for mages and to counter the enemy mages, while taric is more geared toward helping and countering AD characters.

Taric's skill heals himself and his ally at the same time, but soraka's imbue gives mana to both her and an ally. She gives a passive magic resist bonus while Taric gives a passive armor bonus (and the stuff from his ulti, can't remember what it is). Soraka can instantly silence, Taric can stun with a delay. Starcall debuffs magic resist while Taric debuffs armor with his crystal explosion thing. So yea they're kinda balanced, but Taric can't instantly heal the whole team for a substantial amount across the whole map, period. Also, since her heal gives armor, she's still quite useful against AD.
Another funny thing i remembered : i played against a vlad mid, with soraka, and he couldt do a thing to me, because every time he closed on me to drain my HP, he got silenced and hit, and the little damage he could do, i could heal instantly.

Oh btw i just noticed, starcall's MR debuff can actually stack up to 20 times for a total of -160 MR o_O

I usually don't like to lane against a Vladimir at mid, but with 2 champs I usually have no prob against him:
Soraka and Malzahar.

To those who say "Soraka can't mid", you better be against a good solomid Soraka before you say so.

[Dakk]

Every champion has a decent solo counter. Soraka's a good mage counter due to having a targetted instant ranged silence, so champs like vlad can't harass her. She still suffers horribly against autoattack DPS though, even if she doesn't get killed she'll be kicked out of the lane. The only exception that has no real counters is cho

Cho is a beast soloing regardless of his build. He has too much range on rupture to get denied by soraka, and he has a silence himself, not to mention far superior survivability. Wanna guarantee you'll never lose mid? Have a good, map aware cho on mid.