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[Lap]

Yea I'm confused too. The number of players I can throw a card at in a straight line and have them not even attempt to dodge is way too high. Maybe they aren't used to seeing AP cards and therefore don't think it will even do enough damage for them to care.

Pantheon's nerf was a 180 turn around. Before he was an early game powerhouse who would spear throw you out of the lane. Then he was guaranteed 1 or two kills by dropping down on the side lane. He would then use all this money to power into late game and it was very hard to stop if he got a few early kills. Now he's the one getting thrown out of the lane and without the good early game he ends up struggling early and mid match, becomingly merely lackluster late game compared to other carries. It is extremely frustrating to see how little burst damage I was doing even with multiple bloodthirsters.

[Errol]

Pantheon is a wet paper noodle right now. Bothering is not recommended.

AP TF pretty much requires Lich Bane and a few other goodies to be really effective.

[Lap]

Pantheon is a wet paper noodle right now. Bothering is not recommended.

AP TF pretty much requires Lich Bane and a few other goodies to be really effective.

I find that once you get rageblade on TF (amongst many other character) you can't be stopped from constantly farming up whatever items you want.

[Mindmaker]

I like Pantheon.
Hes the only physical carry I play right now.
Although he plays more like a physical caster.

Earlygame is very defensive, so you better get spearshot, meki pedant and two health pots.
The earliest kills you should expect, are when you hit level 6 and see weakened foes on one lane.
Only way to get kills before that, is to have people which don't seem to know that you cant autocrit them below certain health.

You will be dependant on your abilities until the very late engame, when all those damage items kick in.

So yeah, he's one of the more complicated carries out there.

[janekk]

AP TF pretty much requires Lich Bane and a few other goodies to be really effective.

So unlike autoattack dps (imho fail) build . Twisted Fate is very item dependent champion. No matter what you want to do with him.

[Lap]

I saw this the other day on TF and it made me laugh. Some other TF decided to get revive as a summoner spells and everytime he died he would immediately tried to teleport back for a revenge kill. Hilariously he failed 7/8 times.

[Mindmaker]

AP TF pretty much requires Lich Bane and a few other goodies to be really effective.

So unlike autoattack dps (imho fail) build . Twisted Fate is very item dependent champion. No matter what you want to do with him.

Yeah, his passive ability screams for ap/attackspeed, but it's hard to pull off due to his squishiness.

[kilakan]

AP TF pretty much requires Lich Bane and a few other goodies to be really effective.

So unlike autoattack dps (imho fail) build . Twisted Fate is very item dependent champion. No matter what you want to do with him.

Yeah, his passive ability screams for ap/attackspeed, but it's hard to pull off due to his squishiness.

I find a good early life-steal/dmg item really helps that, especially if the other team has no stuns, that way once you get rolling you regain health so fast, only a determinded dps char can take you down easily.

[janekk]

Yeah, his passive ability screams for ap/attackspeed, but it's hard to pull off due to his squishiness.

I'm not sure if I get it right. You mean attack speed/ap for farming purposes? Because his passive gives extra gold for kills.

I find a good early life-steal/dmg item really helps that, especially if the other team has no stuns, that way once you get rolling you regain health so fast, only a determinded dps char can take you down easily.

Vampiric Scepter is good pick for first item to stay longer in lane (because with blue card you also have mana covered so if you are good you can stay as long as you want) but I wouldn't build him for lifesteal because one good nuke and you are dead (and team without at least some CC to nullify your damage/heal  ,nuke is bad) and you don't benefit from lifesteal as much as dedicated autoattack champs which have abilities that scale with autoattack (Stacked Deck does stack with attack speed but its best in hybrid build since it deals magic damage so no lifesteal for you). Not to mention TF's autoattack range is subpar comparing to other ranged champs. If you want lifesteal dps Sion is best champ.

[Mindmaker]

Yeah, his passive ability screams for ap/attackspeed, but it's hard to pull off due to his squishiness.

I'm not sure if I get it right. You mean attack speed/ap for farming purposes? Because his passive gives extra gold for kills.

No I meant the passive ability "Stacked Deck".
Rageblade, Nashors Tooth and Sword of the Divine have good synergies and bring you close to the attack speed cap I think.
You will have great magic dps, but you'll be damn squishy.

[janekk]

Squishy but I don't think its good idea to get tanking items on him. Just one item won't make much difference and you will die instantly anyway (with exception of Banshee Veil to block Blitz grabs and such) and if you build more of them you are not doing your job.

[Mindmaker]

Squishy but I don't think its good idea to get tanking items on him. Just one item won't make much difference and you will die instantly anyway (with exception of Banshee Veil to block Blitz grabs and such) and if you build more of them you are not doing your job.

I didn't said you should.
Only if it aids you role, like a phage for chasing, which gives you some extra hp.

[janekk]

I didn't said you should.

I didn't said you said you should  . I was just reinforcing your argument.

[Mindmaker]

Oh and does anybody want to play a game later?

[janekk]

I could in about 5 - 6 hours  . Probably because I have no idea if I won't be too tired this late. Unfortunately my lappy only has integrated graphics so its not very good for even LoL so I'll have to get on my desktop.