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[Pandarsenic]

mfw 22 deaths

[Jopax]

What do you do when the enemy team has 4 deeps (well garen was tanky so 3.5), you don't build any armor thats what, and when you see the enemy renekton get a bloodrazor, you get yourself a nice Warmog as a means of countering it, and when you ace the enemy team, you don't go push, you go jungling, then when a big teamfight is coming up you also go jungling, because we don't want those creeps to wait now do we, then you run in when half your team is allready dead, kill two guys and die yourself.

[Pandarsenic]

renekton [got] a bloodrazor

What.

Why.

Why would-

What?

Bloodrazor is horrendously inefficient on Renekton in most cases. Why add 6% to a RageW (after resistances anyway) when it already does a fourth of their life and you hardly autoattack anyway? :I

[Jopax]

Not sure, he was getting some wierd stuff, Youumu, Black Cleaver, Madred, Stark.It seemed like he was just taking random stuff from different builds and bunching it togheter for some wierd effect

[Dakk]

Youmuu is ok on him, altough he doesn't really autoattack, it builds form brutalizer, soooo. Black Cleaver works well with ruthless predator, but starks and madreds make no sense. He's no the autoattacker type and the only lifesteal he needs is his his ultimate and his Q. I'm not really a renekton expert, but I think you build tanky after you get black cleaver and some other offensive item, he's tanky DPS after all, and he needs to be on people's faces to do his thing. A sunfire is a good compliment to his ultimate aswell.

[Jopax]

I usually don't go for those extra expensive things, Starks works nicely on him mainly because you get some attack speed which speeds up your fury gain a lot.But my usual build is Frozen Mallet, Atma, Hexdrinker and the rest is situational, mostly defensive items to counter the enemy team.I find that he doesn't need that much damage and with this build i get around 200-ish which is more than enough to melt people's faces with W all charged up

[Pandarsenic]

I usually start with a Doran's Blade then rush a Youmuu's - the armorpen improves everything he does and the active means that when you really need that extra oomph to chase down that 5 HP jailbait who's been stunning you all game or solo that Master Yi who thinks a 1.5 second stun isn't long enough for you to make him regret being born, you can yell "SURPRISE, I HATE YOU," hit 1, and wreck faces.

After that I upgrade my boots (which I usually get after Brutalizer but before Avarice Blade/finishing Youmuu's), usually to Merc's. Then I get Phage, the last damage item I buy for the entire game in most cases. From there out I then satisfy a Perverse Affection for activated items with a Randuin's and a Quicksilver Sash (though I usually skip QSS for FoN if they don't have an Ignite, or they have fewer ignites than characters who need igniting more than Renekton [*coughMUNDOcough*]). Also, if they don't have a lot of autoattackers I might go for a Double Heart instead of the Randuin's - 2 Hearts of Gold gives 400 HP and 54 armor as compared to Randuin's Omen giving 300 HP, 80 Armor, and 25 HP per 5, with the CDR and slowing effect as gravy.

I usually don't bother with an Atma's because Renekton's damage is horrendous even without it; he's the kind of champ who can build straight tank and still hit for 700 off a RageW with just a Youmuu's.

[Dakk]

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It feels good to be able to carry again.



I need to photoshop twitch's face into a trollface.

[umiman]

They do kinda have the same expression

Edit: While trying to figure out how to get Eve viable in the jungle again I found out something funny. If you have guardian angel as Eve and you activate stealth before you die, you will revive stealthed. Even further, your "corpse" will be invisible Pretty useful. I don't know if the enemy can still see the swirly lines though.

[Jopax]

TARIC IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!

I played him again after a while, went for a semi-aurawhore build, had good survivability and nice damage, it was funny seeing me chase down ashe and murder her with my big shiny hammer, also getting the two first kills with Noct in my lane is priceless, especially if it's against Karthus and Lux.And we had a pretty badass Shen who was either insane, stupid or had huge balls made of ninjas, doing crazy tower dives, soloing Yi and other wierd shit you would expect from a tanky DPS, then again i was doing similar stuff XD

[umiman]

Shen is made to fight Yi actually.

Yi beating Shen 1v1 is like Tryndamere killing Rammus 1v1.

[burningpet]

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It feels good to be able to carry again.



I need to photoshop twitch's face into a trollface.

Nice, but why did you let shen stack sunfire?

[Dakk]

Basicaly because he was the only useful person in the team. What he had in dumbassery in item builds he had in skill with shen. He was sort of the reason behind how we not only got first blood, but the first 4~5 kills. He'd do crazy stuff like towerdive shaco just after his stealth ended and finishing him off and comming back alive, and he was really good with his taunts. I saw his build and was going to say something, but I decided to wait till he made some mistake so I wouldn't sound so arbitrary, but never did he make a mistake so terrible as to outclass the benefits he brought to the team.
Note he has faaaaar more assists then anyone else in that game.

@Jopax: Taric is a beast when used correctly. He's basicaly a shining beacon of awesome, altough he was the same problem that all good supports do: no matter how good he is at supporting, he can't carry his team to victory. Basicaly Taric needs a decent team with decent carries. If he does, then he'll pull the enemy team to their knees as he completely shuts off the enemy carry in a teamfight and save's everyone's ass, but if he doesn't then he's nothing more then a huge shining obstacle the enemy team will eventualy overcome if taric's team doesn't wake up.

[SalmonGod]

Taric:  Most insane heal in the game.  Stun almost equal to Sion's (I think it's a bit slower).

[umiman]

Taric:
220 heal at 1.1 ap ratio cooldown 12 seconds. Basically free elixir of fortitude + a few health pots.

Compare to Nidalee:
180 heal at 1.25 ap ratio AND gives 60% bonus attack speed at 10 second cooldown. Basically free elixir of fortitude + free phantom dancer.

Compare to Kayle:
205 heal at 0.5 ap ratio AND gives 12% movement speed boost at 10 second cooldown. Basically free elixir of fortitude + free boots of swiftness.

Compare to Soraka:
300 heal at 0.9 ap ratio AND 80 armor at 10 second cooldown. Basically free elixir of fortitude, a few health pots + free randuin's omen.

AND

440 heal at 1.3 ap ratio every 100 seconds to EVERYBODY. Basically two stacked elixirs of fortitude on everybody on the team.