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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #285 on: March 15, 2011, 01:02:59 pm »

Anyone got an opinion on the AI when you're defending a siege?
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #286 on: March 15, 2011, 01:49:44 pm »

It's pretty good. At least, on hard difficulty. They attack from multiple sides in efforts to out flank you, and their range of deployment is completely around your castle. I've seen them attack from three directions at once. However, this does not mean they find victory every time. Assaulting castles without siege weapons with Ashigaru is a lot like gleefully throwing your men into a meat grinder.

On the odd occasion they do break through, I just have my reserve Samurai move in to reinforce the area, and drive enemy back over the walls. The only issue for the defender is making sure you have enough men to hold the entire perimeter. If not, you can expect it to get a lot more messy.
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #287 on: March 15, 2011, 08:03:19 pm »

Bump for new info.

Since the Clan system in game seems to operate in exactly the same way Steam Groups do, the clan is generated with the Steam Group's administrator as it's leader. Which means, Nilocy is by default the DFC clan leader. Nilocy does not have Shogun 2.

That said, if anyone wants;
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Armokschildren I've done it for you. And me, I guess.
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #288 on: March 15, 2011, 08:22:23 pm »

I shall join!

(Even tho I'm still downloading it)
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #289 on: March 15, 2011, 08:48:14 pm »

Dorfy clan is dorfy  :D
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #290 on: March 15, 2011, 09:44:15 pm »

Fairly new to the Total war scene as it is, getting my ass handed to me on Normal...Probably go easy first time around =/ God Rome was so much easier!
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #291 on: March 15, 2011, 09:55:06 pm »

Fairly new to the Total war scene as it is, getting my ass handed to me on Normal...Probably go easy first time around =/ God Rome was so much easier!
In Rome on Normal you could destroy Gaul and the other barbarian sides almost entirely with just your King's enlarged general cav, only needing infantry if they happened to have a large amount of cavilry themselves.
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #292 on: March 15, 2011, 11:38:18 pm »

Yes. This time around the AI is aggressive, and hates you. I actually feel tension and the need to save before a battle now because of the distinct possibility of defeat. At least twice the AI has come at me with forces that would have utterly overwhelmed me had I not been behind castle walls they were overconfident about their ability to assault.

Only problem may be that the Morale for Ashigaru is too low. Seems like, compared to other units, they turn and flee at the drop of a feather.
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #293 on: March 16, 2011, 12:12:40 am »

Well if I remember correctly Ashigaru where essencially the japanese equivilent to Militia or Peasents recruited forcefully. Now I don't know if Shogun 2 has equivilents of those already, but if they don't then it makes sense that they break that easily, they did in previous games usually as well.
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #294 on: March 16, 2011, 12:37:52 am »

Well if I remember correctly Ashigaru where essencially the japanese equivilent to Militia or Peasents recruited forcefully. Now I don't know if Shogun 2 has equivilents of those already, but if they don't then it makes sense that they break that easily, they did in previous games usually as well.

That's pretty much it exactly - Ashigaru are more-or-less conscripted peasants. Yari Ashigaru are equipped with spears in large part because there's very little training required to use a spear: "Stand in a line. Pointy end goes this way." They're the cannon fodder of your army.  ;)

If you want your spearmen to stand and fight, get some Yari Samurai instead - this way, you get trained units who actually know what they're doing. Even better, get Katana Samurai; frankly, spears are not designed for melee against infantry, and katana units will chop through them with ease.




In other news... how the bleedin' heck do you assault castles? I've recently discovered that charging directly at their walls with infantry isn't as smart a move as I originally thought (who would've thought?  ::) ), so what is the trick? Should I start investing in siege engines? Lay siege and wait for them to sally forth to meet me? I swear, sieges were so much easier in E:TW, where you just lined up your cannons, blew apart the walls (while instakilling any infantry atop them), and then snipe their moronic cavalry. Shogun 2 has a nasty combination of competent AI and less-lopsided mechanics.  :o
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #295 on: March 16, 2011, 01:14:34 am »

Make a few seige engines, seige for a few turns to soften them up, then deploy heavily on one or two sides with a smaller group on a third side. Make sure the seige engines are on the heavy side or sides and make the enemy focus their defences there, then just 'sneak' your smaller group through for flanking.
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #296 on: March 16, 2011, 03:34:33 am »

Charge, charge, charge and charge again. Heavy casualties prove your manliness.

Anyway, so far so good. AI is actually really scary in battles, I'm feeling threatened by my neighbors and all is well.

e: holy shit arrows are left in corpses best thing ever.

The visual touches make the game for me.
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #297 on: March 16, 2011, 04:03:34 am »

I'm practically itching to play this. My copy arrived yesterday but I've got no free time for the moment.
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #298 on: March 16, 2011, 04:09:27 am »

Bump for new info.

Since the Clan system in game seems to operate in exactly the same way Steam Groups do, the clan is generated with the Steam Group's administrator as it's leader. Which means, Nilocy is by default the DFC clan leader. Nilocy does not have Shogun 2.

That said, if anyone wants;
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Armokschildren I've done it for you. And me, I guess.

Doesn't actually matter as long as at least one of the group officers is playing, and even then it's only that the clan marker couldn't be moved. In any case I've joined up too.
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Re: Shogun 2: Total War
« Reply #299 on: March 16, 2011, 04:18:37 am »

Hmph. 20gig is the entire size of my hard drive. I think I'll pass on this one. Now, if they only could port the non-resource intensive features into the old TW titles, like you know, better AI.[/wishful thinking]
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