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[Vector]

The average male would

Yup.  And does the average male frequent B12, or similar sites?  I don't really remember equating "average" to "nerd," unless some definitions have seriously changed.

[Nikov]

Virgin until married, although having dated the girl for seven years prior, it was not for lack of opportunity.

[Mfbrew]

Most of us are far more average than we'd like to think, regardless of social clique.

[bjlong]

I'm sorry, but no, the Victorian Era was the golden age of prudishness. Among other things, the word toilet was changed to describe the object, prostitutes were considered "tainted" and unredeemable, and in some societies, the word leg was forbidden. While people still did depraved things in private, public conversation was wrung through a bundle of prudishness.

The question you have to ask about the Victorians is: whose public conversation?  When people think about Victorian prudery, they're generally thinking about the upper class, because 1) they were the ones who cared the most about prudishness and 2) they produced the vast majority of literature.  I'm not sure to what extent that trickled down to the lower classes.

Yes, you're right. I suppose this is why Victorian culture is so hard to describe--the vast differences in norms between social strata.

I'm sorry, but no, the Victorian Era was the golden age of prudishness. Among other things, the word toilet was changed to describe the object, prostitutes were considered "tainted" and unredeemable, and in some societies, the word leg was forbidden. While people still did depraved things in private, public conversation was wrung through a bundle of prudishness.

As I said, they were absolutely obsessed with it.  Anything even remotely sexual in nature was strictly taboo.

But I think you'll find that when things are taboo they simply become more appealing, not less.  Prostitution, despite the stigma attached to it, flourished.  As did extra-marital affairs and everything else.  It was simply hidden behind a veneer of good behavior.

Yes and no--there is some truth to what you're saying, but this hides the fact that there was a discrepency in genders-- specifically, there were 4% more women than men. This, combined with the overall rising population of the poor, and the horrific excesses of the Industrial Revolution, caused more than a few women to try their hand at selling their bodies.

On top of that, we can see that public media has gotten less restricted and prudish in the past 50 or so years. Look at the Hays Code and how we're dealing with pornography in recent years. Basically, I can't see an argument for increasing prudishness in public media.

I stated that society had become more prudish, and that the media had become more sex-obsessed.

Certainly, we see more sex on television and whatnot...  But I think you'll see that it is seldom treated in a positive manner.  We hear about children being molested, and the debate over abortion, and various public figures behaving badly, sting operations for Internet predators...

In some regards, I will agree that we are loosening up a bit.  Being homosexual, for example, isn't generally considered a crime anymore.

In other regards, however, we're becoming very prudish.  There's been a great resurgence in "promise rings" and abstinence-only sexual education.  Young folks are actually worse-educated about sex than in previous generations.

Oh, was that what you were arguing? My apologies, somehow I misunderstood. That said, I'd argue that the average is still... well, fairly average. What's changing is the spread of a number of variables.

As a note, I'd say the debate over abortion is different from sex acceptance--one can be completely fine with extra-marital sex, and support abortion. Or not. It's a different set of arguments, really, based around the personhood of the fetus.

[sonerohi]

One must consider with the 'chastity rings', whether or not it is the culture deciding for and idealizing chastity? Or is it girls being all omg over the Jonas Brothers being made to wear them by Disney, and little 8th grade guys getting them to look 'sensitive' or whatever?

[Vector]

Most of us are far more average than we'd like to think, regardless of social clique.

Eh, perhaps.  My apologies, then--I suppose I was posting for myself more than for anyone else.  Best of luck to you.

[Euld]

Still a religious virgin, quite happy with that.  Hope to marry another religious virgin.  Yes that may mean lots of awkwardness and fumbling around on the honeymoon and possibly disappointment, but I'd perfer that over sleeping with a woman I wasn't married to.

[Nikov]

Still a religious virgin, quite happy with that.  Hope to marry another religious virgin.  Yes that may mean lots of awkwardness and fumbling around on the honeymoon and possibly disappointment, but I'd perfer that over sleeping with a woman I wasn't married to.

Stick with it, and its worth it. I recommend not going from the wedding reception to the honeymoon, since that can mean a big trip and everyone being tired and cranky when they arrive (Hell, I know we were. Showed up at 2:00 AM and I locked ourselves out of the cabin. That's okay, keys are in the truck. And she closes the keys into the locked truck. And I had tossed my keychain wallet in the cabin. It was like an adventure game that night). Instead I strongly recommend the master bedroom of the house you're moving into. No stress, no pressure, just home. It makes that place special to both of you for years to come, and best of all, you can keep going back to it for free!

Edit: Wife just came up behind me in the computer chair, necked the hell out of me, and took the coffee pot to make some more. Do your live in girlfriends do that, suckers?

[smigenboger]

I'm fine with casual sex, but people seem to forget the difference between casual sex and intimacy. It would be like comparing taking your best friend out for a night drinking to going to a party with people you just barely met.

Dunno what 'average male' would mean, but I'd assume they'd go for the 'average female'

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Still a religious virgin, quite happy with that.  Hope to marry another religious virgin.  Yes that may mean lots of awkwardness and fumbling around on the honeymoon and possibly disappointment, but I'd perfer that over sleeping with a woman I wasn't married to.

Stick with it, and its worth it. I recommend not going from the wedding reception to the honeymoon, since that can mean a big trip and everyone being tired and cranky when they arrive (Hell, I know we were. Showed up at 2:00 AM and I locked ourselves out of the cabin. That's okay, keys are in the truck. And she closes the keys into the locked truck. And I had tossed my keychain wallet in the cabin. It was like an adventure game that night). Instead I strongly recommend the master bedroom of the house you're moving into. No stress, no pressure, just home. It makes that place special to both of you for years to come, and best of all, you can keep going back to it for free!

Edit: Wife just came up behind me in the computer chair, necked the hell out of me, and took the coffee pot to make some more. Do your live in girlfriends do that, suckers?

They do. I don't know about everyone else.
Yes I'm serious.

[Zai]

Now I wil admit that I had sex once in my life. It ended horribly and I deeply regret because I was in love with the girl and it turned out, she didn't even remotely fel the same about me

That's called rape.

A triple entendre is an alliance between three major world powers to make dirty jokes about two other allied major world powers on a global scale. I don't even know what a quadruple entendre would entail.

It's sad that no one will get this joke.

I got the joke, actually.

[Mishy]

Sex isnt a big thing to me. I dont enjoy it so i dont do it. Im 21.

P.S. I'm actualy a sorta wel known poster on here, it'd just shame me to amit this

I dont recognise your screen name.
But OH, now im implying that im a regular here! Oh the horror.

[Blacken]

... Or you could just be yourself and find a girl who accepts you for who and what you are.  Women do happen to understand attractive male facets on a more than primitive level, by the way.  The "pickup artist" game doesn't work on everyone.  Some of us don't happen to enjoy being "put in our place" or insulted.

If you think that's what pickup artists are doing, you don't understand what they're doing. The Game is a silly piece of shit, and I don't think I've ever met anyone who both took it seriously and as something to be emulated.

Edit: Wife just came up behind me in the computer chair, necked the hell out of me, and took the coffee pot to make some more. Do your live in girlfriends do that, suckers?

Uhm...yes? That's...not exactly unusual. I know you think those little rings give special coffee-making power, but you want your mind blown? Sometimes I even make coffee for my girlfriend! Neither of the two are all that novel, although I do enjoy your implied characterization of your wife being the one to make coffee (utterly unhealthy, by the way, but that's your business). Are you so insecure as to need to brag about something that should be mundane, though? Perhaps you should get that checked.



Intimacy has very, very little to do when you first got your dick wet, who you first got your dick wet with, and meaningless trivia of that nature. It has a great deal to do with intellectual, emotional, and sexual maturity. The second and third are stunted by this bullshit, and there's a pretty good argument that the first is too.

In a sane, healthy society, "purity rings" and the repressive self-hate that they carry with them would be the sign of diseased minds. (That said, we do not live in a sane, healthy society.) Enjoy your missionary, and your crying afterwards.

[Nikov]

Edit: Wife just came up behind me in the computer chair, necked the hell out of me, and took the coffee pot to make some more. Do your live in girlfriends do that, suckers?

Uhm...yes? That's...not exactly unusual. Are you so insecure as to need to brag about something that should be mundane? I know you think those little rings give special coffee-making power, but you want your mind blown? Sometimes I even do the same thing! Holy shit, what a concept!
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Are you so insecure as to need to deride someone praising his wife?

Although I do enjoy your implied characterization of your wife being the one to make coffee. It's very entertaining. Utterly unhealthy, but that's your business and not mine. I hope you like missionary.

Do you think your lack of little rings gives you the power to judge the sanity of others?

And missionary is very nice and intimate, but I prefer reverse cowgirl. Nice assumption I'm a dogmatic 15th century Catholic, though.

[sonerohi]

*Southern drawl*
Cool it down folks. Not a one of us wants any trouble.