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[Caesar]

I'm with the technical virgins as well. I'm saving my virginity for someone I love.

Virginity is like a bubble. One prick and it's gone.

[Jackrabbit]

I'm sure we al have noticed the growing promiscuity of teenagers

What you've noticed is the growing publicity and relative puritanism of the media - not an actual increase in sexual interest on the part of teenagers.

Historically, we're (at least here in the US) very prudish right now.

Not all that long ago you would have been married and popping out children before 18...  But now we consider 18 to be the threshold of adulthood, and folks popping out children before then is frowned upon.  Hell, we tell most people to wait until after college to get married.

Pornography used to be considered fairly mainstream - remember "Deep Throat"?

We are simultaneously portraying a hyper-sexualized image of anything female, and acting as if sex is the most horrible thing ever.  We've got tiny little children wearing mini-skirts, and we're freaking out because teenagers are acting like teenagers have always acted.

I disagree that people are any more prudish than they were in the last couple of centuries. People were just as (really, more) prudish say about 100-150 years ago when the permanent monogamy mindset was dominant. This was mostly due to religion because - and this is important - sex or self-pleasure for pleasure alone was considered a sin by many many people and frowned upon deeply. Hell, adultery is legal nowadays, whereas it carried a hefty penalty not too long ago. I agree that teenagers have and always will be very sexually orientated, but American is certainly not getting more prudish.

I'm with the technical virgins as well. I'm saving my virginity for someone I love.

Virginity is like a bubble. One prick and it's gone.

I see what you did there.

[Mfbrew]

The problem with statistics about teenagers is that teenagers lie to be funny.  Remember those stupid surveys they used to give out about drugs?  My friends and I used to check every box for "yeah I always do that drug at group orgies!" even though we didn't even drink beer.  We just had no respect for the self-righteous Christian assholes giving out those tests.

And it's hard to make statistics about a diverse country of 300 million people.  Most of my middle class suburban friends lost their virginity at senior prom or in college.  Meanwhile there are super young crack baby hookers in some parts of the country dragging the average down.  Also i knew people from small towns who got married and had babies at age 16.  Stats need to be broken down into more manageable groups.   

[Caesar]

I'm with the technical virgins as well. I'm saving my virginity for someone I love.

Virginity is like a bubble. One prick and it's gone.

I see what you did there.

What'd I do there?

[Jackrabbit]

Oh? Then I think I'll leave you to figure it out for yourself. It's funnier that way.

[Caesar]

Oh? Then I think I'll leave you to figure it out for yourself. It's funnier that way.

I do know what I meant, of course. I just wanted for you to say it.

[fenrif]

I disagree that people are any more prudish than they were in the last couple of centuries. People were just as (really, more) prudish say about 100-150 years ago when the permanent monogamy mindset was dominant. This was mostly due to religion because - and this is important - sex or self-pleasure for pleasure alone was considered a sin by many many people and frowned upon deeply. Hell, adultery is legal nowadays, whereas it carried a hefty penalty not too long ago. I agree that teenagers have and always will be very sexually orientated, but American is certainly not getting more prudish.

And yet there used to be brothels and cat-houses all over the place. It depends on which society you're talking about. Just like today, religous fundamentalists aren't too into sex (which might explain some of their other behaviour tbh) but everyone does it all the time anyway.

Its one of our primary driving forces. Like the need to breathe and eat and drink. Even if it was outlawed tommorow people would still go at it like rabbits regardless.

[Vahan]

I do know what I meant, of course. I just wanted for you to say it.

I'd heard the saying before, but I hadn't considered it a triple entendre.

Does a quadruple entendre require a nautical reference?

[Jackrabbit]

I'd like to point out that there are still brothels and cat-houses all over the place.

As for what sort of society I'm talking about, American and Western Europe, basically, although mostly the UK.

I do know what I meant, of course. I just wanted for you to say it.

I'd heard the saying before, but I hadn't considered it a triple entendre.

Does a quadruple entendre require a nautical reference?

A triple entendre is an alliance between three major world powers to make dirty jokes about two other allied major world powers on a global scale. I don't even know what a quadruple entendre would entail.

[fenrif]

I'd like to point out that there are still brothels and cat-houses all over the place.

As for what sort of society I'm talking about, American and Western Europe, basically, although mostly the UK.

Yes indeed. So there were brothels then and brothels now. So how was it more prudish back then?

[Jackrabbit]

Because if there were brothels then and brothels now but all the other things about prudishness I mentioned earlier still applies to earlier periods, then they were more prudish then than they are now and brothels don't really factor into it.

[Vahan]

A triple entendre is an alliance between three major world powers to make dirty jokes about two other allied major world powers on a global scale. I don't even know what a quadruple entendre would entail.

It's sad that no one will get this joke.

[fenrif]

Well the difference being that brothels now don't openly advertise. Modern brothels are hidden away in back alleys masquerading as massage parlours or whatever. Also permanant monogomy wasn't really a dominant view back then any more than it is now. Well it was probobly true for women, but men had mistresses, visited whores, etc. Yeah some people thought sex and pleasure was a sin, but people think that today too (and can influence more people with their beliefs). People still ignore them though.

The idea that, for example, the victorian era was especially prudish is false from what I've read.

"One of the most infamous eras of prostitution was the victorian age

[Jackrabbit]

Ahhhh, good point, I agree. But I still think that today's society is far more open about sex than it ever was 100-150 years ago.

[Ephemeriis]

sex or self-pleasure for pleasure alone was considered a sin by many many people and frowned upon deeply.

And this has changed?

Sure, many folks are OK with sex for pleasure...  But many still consider sex for pleasure to be a sin.  Prostitution is still illegal in most places.  The Pope is still prohibiting birth control.  Various sex acts (oral sex, bestiality, BDSM) are still illegal in many if not most states.  It only just became legal to buy sex toys in some states.

Hell, adultery is legal nowadays, whereas it carried a hefty penalty not too long ago.

While it may or may not be legal...  It still carries a hefty penalty if your spouse divorces you.  Or if your boss/voters/whoever find out.

American is certainly not getting more prudish.

There was a point in time when it was assumed you would have a mistress if you could.  In various parts of Europe this may still be true.  Here in the US, the slightest hint of infidelity and you'll be crucified.

Many (most?) of our founding fathers were members of the Hellfire Club...  If it came out that a prominent politician was involved in anything like that today they'd be out of office.

Kids have been "playing doctor" for decades...  But these days sending a naked picture to your significant other will result in charges of child pornography (assuming, of course, that you're both teenagers).

Watch some movies from the 60's and 70's...  You don't even have to find a sexploitation film...  You'll see complete nudity all over the place...  Now take a look at what gets rated R today.

Take a look at some of the classical works of art.  And then look at our politicians scrambling to cover up "obscene" statues before a press conference.  Look at the kinds of artwork that gets taken out of textbooks because it is obscene.  Hell, a school district banned a dictionary because it contained a definition of oral sex.

But I still think that today's society is far more open about sex than it ever was 100-150 years ago.

Open?  Or obsessed?

Just because we can't stop talking about it doesn't mean we're open about it.  When was the last time you saw a real, frank, honest discussion about sex?  When was the last time you saw some kind of sensational story about sex?

The Victorians were obsessed with sex as well...  But they certainly weren't open about it.