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[Servant Corps]

Sopranos wasn't a trendy, stupid, cop out ending. Tony dies.

It is a trendy, stupid, cop out ending.

Tony is a human being. Of course he's going to die.

[SIGVARDR]

edited.

[Grakelin]

Great contribution, Servant Corps, do you do birthdays?

I heavily prefer the cut-to-black ending to something like Sigvardr said, or some pan out into the sky, or some Everybody Loves Raymond style ending where you don't even realize that was the last episode of the show.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

But they didn't throw it in when they couldn't think of a real ending. They threw it in to represent Tony dying. It's like in 24 where you don't get the little beeps at the end of the scenes where somebody important dies.

I would understand the outcry of 'omg they cheated us' if they hadn't foreshadowed this moment two or three episodes earlier. As it is, the plot was nicely wrapped up (hell, they wrapped up the plot in the episode previous, and this was just resolution), all the cards were on the table, and it ended.

I'll admit it isn't as grevious a offence, yes. The Sopranos only started this trend, unintentionaly, with a single minor cop-out. But other writers/directors/studio exectutives already look as if they are eating up this kind of excuse for their own shows.

[Cthulhu]

On Lost.  I feel about Lost the same way I feel about all J.J. Abrams productions in this vein (Except District 9, District 9 was awesome).

"Let's make a bunch of stuff up and figure out how it ties together later"

"Well, it's later, I have no idea what to do, let's make up some more stuff"

"Still nothing?  Maybe Locke is a vampire"

It's like the obligatory episode in every children's show where the main character tells a lie and has to keep expanding it to keep the ruse going.

[Grakelin]

You need to look at television history. The Sopranos wasn't a cop-out in any extent of the word, and even if it was, it would not have been the first.

Remember Newhart? My God, that was awful.

I think Sopranos is up there with the best television series endings. Almost as good as All in the Family's ending.

[Servant Corps]

At the sopranos comparison:
The cut to black works out nicely.What do you want,them to make some boring 2 hour "what happened to them after all that" episode or an ending that lets you come to your own conclusions.

Don't get me wrong. I really do enjoy the cut-to-black ending, no question, where you come to your own conclusion.

But it is also a a trendy, stupid cop out ending. Sometimes, some endings can both be cool and stupid. Like The Prisoner for instance. Or the show that took place in a snowglobe. Sometimes, endings are enjoyable because it is a cop out.

I just was saying that death doesn't really seem like a very good ending to a show, considering that we could already assume that people die.

[Grakelin]

Incidentally, the producers cited Sopranos, Newhart, and the Snowglobe endings as endings he thought were terrible and wanted to avoid, so I don't think the Sopranos invited it to do a trendy ending.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Or the show that took place in a snowglobe.

Our whole show took place in a autistic child's mind! Think about the implications of your life! Give us your MONEY!

[Grakelin]

You don't get it. They're only obligated to make a good ending so they can get jobs again after this. They don't get any money out of being trendy, because after the last 15 minutes of the show, they will never make advertising revenue again.

[Kagus]

I was dragged along for about four seasons of Lost, courtesy of my folks...  What really got me was just how much of a cinematography dungpile the thing is.  I'm not talking about the creative side of the series, it's just how they expressed the damned story.  Poor timing, lackluster event sequencing, and downright bad camerawork.

Now, on to the creative side of things...


I haven't seen the last episode, so I can't give my thoughts on it (like I said, only went about four seasons), but hoo boy...  Hell Plug?  I'm almost tempted to watch the dang thing just to see them try and say that with a straight face.  I can quite honestly say that I absolutely did not see that coming...  But I don't think the series gets points for finally outwitting me, because they cheated by pulling out THE MOST HILARIOUSLY BATSHIT IDEA THIS SIDE OF SCIFI CHANNEL SPECIALS.

I dislike Lost...  More than that, I dislike how some people seem to worship the unfathomable idiocy that it's composed of.

Lost was a steaming mound of bad, with a lightly salted sauce of bad drizzled over it, and presented on a platter of bad with some bad giblets added for bad.

It wasn't even bad enough to be funny or interesting, like the SciFi specials (Attack of the Rubber Spider Zombies?  Yes please), it was just bad.  Watching it irritated me.  It was a shameful excuse for a story, populated with schizophrenic morons and then translated to the viewer through a host of filmmaking mistakes that I don't even make.  Also, it tried fitting in some disturbing CMVs, which I personally have always had a hard time taking seriously.


Still though...  Hell Plug?  That's almost bad enough to be badass.

[Stove]

It isn't hell. It's the ombilicus mundi from Foucault's Pendulum.

[Sensei]

Anyone here read MS Paint Adventures? It's like lost with answers.

[Grakelin]

The first season was so good, though, that I think if somebody else wrote a great script for this guy (Who is it? Not Jerry Bruckheimer, somebody with a similar name, isn't it?) he could direct it with finesse.

Unfortunately, he thinks he's also a writer, and produces things like Cloverfield and Lost.

[Bandages]

ITT there are two responses:

1. I DIDN'T WATCH THE SHOW BUT FUCK IT, IT IS SHIT

2. I DIDN'T WATCH MORE THAN THE FIRST TWO SEASONS BUT FUCK IT, IT IS SHIT

I thought the series was a lot of fun to watch.

But maybe that's because I actually watched it