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[Ukrainian Ranger]

BTW temperature does look overpowered. Any player can take a tiny moon from Neptune. Move it into Venus orbit and get hundreds of points.

[IronyOwl]

Oh, wow. I had always planned to ignore gravity and go for temperature and oxygen content, but that never even occurred to me. Devious indeed.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I like what you do with Deimos ) Now It have much more carbon dioxide than it's own mass ) Even 0.01 ATM weights more than 30 Deimosses

0,01 of earth atmosphere = 5*10^16 kg )
Mass of the Deimos  = 1.5*10^15kg

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Warning: I'm an astronomy nerd

One very important thing about gravity... You  can't combine two objects and add their gravity. It's not how it works in real life. Radius (or density) of the planet is more important that it's mass.  Formula is g=GM/(r*r) where G= 6.67x10^-11. That's why Jupiter has only 2.5g while it has 120 masses of the Earth. If you bombard icy planet like Callisto with solid rocks effect must be much better than just adding gravity of the asteroid.  We need to know mass and volume of the planets

And Aurora really mess up with real gravities of the moons...

I suggest restart and either play with real solar system only, or use This to generate detailed realistic random systems.
Currently game is very unrealistic

[Cheddarius]

Of course it's unrealistic. That's the point. Would you play Spore if it required sitting at your computer for several million years and waiting for evolution to happen? This game is unrealistic, but it's much more fun than one where we, and the GM, have to make excruciating calculations to try and figure out how to get the correct gravity. That game would be almost unplayable and the GM would quit after two turns.

[Tarran]

AREGHHGHGHGGH! This all happened after one night?!

Temperature is overpowered, but just wait when you get into a colder system, it will begin to be less powerful. Oh, and temperature is only as powerful to ideal, after that it's useless. I'll nerf it next round.

I don't give a crap if it's unrealistic. I can't change body gravity and/or base temperature in Aurora. And I can't be bothered to get real life systems. You don't like it, I can replace you. I am NOT going though hundreds of calculations.

Once we get into an Aurora generated system, then it gets fun. Each body will be completely random. so you don't know what to expect.

BTW temperature does look overpowered. Any player can take a tiny moon from Neptune. Move it into Venus orbit and get hundreds of points.

You only get points for what you do yourself. So you would only get the points for having an earth like temperature. And miss out on all the points you could have gotten by adding greenhouse gas.

Turn 3.

I crash another asteroid into Mars.

Generated asteroid: 0.017G.

Collided. +3.4 points.

Claim Io

Smash another asteroid into Callisto

Another question:

Are greenhouse gases give equal GH factor?

You can only claim one moon/planet at a time.

Generated asteroid: 0.0028G. (Errr...)

Collided. +0.56 points.

Yes, all greenhouse gasses are given the same amount.

Add more carbon dioxide to Deimos.

+0.06 Carbon ATMs. Temperature increased to -18.3C. GH factor now 1.13.

+14.85C Deg. +14.85 points. (Yeah, I'll definitely nerf temperature next round.)



Needed for life:
Oxygen/Methane >0.07 ATMs. And <0.4 ATMs.
Temp: >-40C. And <+60C.
Grav: >0.4G. And <2.5G.
No toxins.

Humans:
Ideal gravity: 1 G. Deviation: 70% (Max 1.70G, Min 0.30G)
Ideal temperature: 22 C. Deviation: 22 Deg C (Max 44C, Min 0C)
Ideal oxygen amount in ATMs: 0.20 ATMs. Deviation: 50% (Max 0.30 ATMs, Min 0.10 ATMs.)
Max press: 4 ATMs.

Home planet: Earth. 0.79 ATMs of Nitrogen, 0.2 ATMs of Oxygen. 0.01 ATMs of Argon.

Players:
IronyOwl 14.85 points.
Cheddarius 6 points.
Ukrainian Ranger 3.16 points.

Waiting:
Paranatural

System:
Colony cost is how hard it is to colonize it. Lower is better.

NOTE: All of this is from Aurora. If it is incorrect, blame Aurora. All bodies have normal albedo unless stated.

This may be useful. http://www.onlineconversion.com/temperature.htm

Restricted: (R). Gas: (G). Owned by player: ([player color][player name]). Colcost +100-50: (VH). Colcost 49-25: (H). Colcost 24-10: (M). Colcost 9-3: (L). ColCost 2-<0: (VL) Colcost 0: (H)

Mercury: No atmosphere. Gravity:0.38. Temp:427C. Colcost:17.41 (M) Base temp (in Kelvin): 700.

Venus: 65 ATMs of Nitrogen. 35 ATMs of Carbon Dioxide. (100 ATMs) Gravity:0.91. Temp:462C. Colcost:25. (H) Base temp (in Kelvin): 245.

Earth: 0.79 ATMs of Nitrogen. 0.2 ATMs of Oxygen. 0.01 ATMs of Argon. (1 ATM) Gravity:1. Temp:22C. ColCost:0 (R) (H) Base temp (in Kelvin): 268.2. Water. Life.
  Luna: No atmosphere. Gravity:0.17. Temp:-98C. ColCost 4.5. (L) (R) Base temp (in Kelvin): 175. Crust (Special term for ice, only appears on Luna).

Mars: 0.007 ATMs of Nitrogen. 0.003 ATMs of Carbon dioxide. (0.01 ATM) Gravity:0.41. Temp:-48C. ColCost 2.18. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 225. Ice. (Cheddarius)
  Phobos: No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0005. Temp:-48C. ColCost 2.18. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 225.
  Demos: 0.12 ATMs of Carbon Dioxide. (0.12 ATMs) Gravity:0.0007. Temp:-18.3C. ColCost 0.8. (VL). Base temp (in Kelvin): 225. (IronyOwl)

Large asteroid field.

Jupiter.  Gravity:2.14. Temp:-148C. (G). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Metis.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0021. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Amalthea.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.005. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Thebe.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.003. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Io.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.18. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Europa.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.15. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Ganymede.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.10. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Callisto.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.2558. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125. (Ukrainian Ranger)
  Himalia. No atmosphere. Gravity:0.008. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Lysithea. No atmosphere. Gravity:0.008. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Elara. No atmosphere. Gravity:0.003. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Ananke. No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0013. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Carme. No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0007. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Pasiphae. No atmosphere. Gravity:0.004. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.
  Sinope. No atmosphere. Gravity:0.003. Temp:-148C. ColCost 6.7. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 125.

Saturn. Gravity:0.74. Temp:-178C. (G). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Atlas.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0014. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Prometheus.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0028. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Pandora.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0027. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Epimetheus.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.005. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Mimas.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.016. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Enceladus.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.02. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Tethys.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.05. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Dione.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.05. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Rhea.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.11. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Titan.  1.52 ATMs of Nitrogen. 0.08 ATMs of methane. (1.6 ATM) Gravity:0.53. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 76.6. (Yes, Titan can never reach the minimum temperature requirements of humans. Blame Steve.)
  Hyperion.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.03. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Iapetus.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.07. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.
  Phoebe.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.004. Temp:-178C. ColCost 8.1. (L). Base temp (in Kelvin): 95.

Uranus. Gravity:0.86. Temp:-216C. (G). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Cordelia.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0006. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Portia.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.003. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Belinda.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0019. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Puck.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.016. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Miranda.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.02. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Ariel.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.04. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Umbriel.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.04. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Titania.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.15. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Oberon.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.06. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Caliban.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.004. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Sycorax.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.006. Temp:-216C. ColCost 9.8. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.

Neptune. Gravity:1.10. Temp:-228C. (G). Base temp (in Kelvin): 45.
  Naiad.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0024. Temp:-228C. ColCost 10.4. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 45.
  Thalassa.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0025. Temp:-228C. ColCost 10.4. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 45.
  Despina.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.004. Temp:-228C. ColCost 10.4. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 45.
  Galatea.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.003. Temp:-228C. ColCost 10.4. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Larissa.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.0024. Temp:-228C. ColCost 10.4. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Proteus.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.04. Temp:-228C. ColCost 10.4. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Triton.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.18. Temp:-228C. ColCost 10.4. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.
  Nereid.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.020. Temp:-228C. ColCost 10.4. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 57.

Pluto: No atmosphere. Gravity:0.08. Temp:-233C. Colcost:10.6 (M) Base temp (in Kelvin): 40.
  Charon.  No atmosphere. Gravity:0.07. Temp:-233C. ColCost 10.6. (M). Base temp (in Kelvin): 40.

Large Asteroid field.

[Cheddarius]

Are we allowed to choose what amount of atmosphere we add?

[Tarran]

Are we allowed to choose what amount of atmosphere we add?

Yes, you can remove/add up to 0.06 ATMs.

[Cheddarius]

Add .06 Greenhouse Gas.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

OK ) It's still fun even unrealistic and I am not sure that I'll get into next round with my strategy...  It's a lot of luck needed to get that 0.4 G

Smash another asteroid into Callisto and hope to get luckier

Another question:

Why we need 0.4 G for life and only 0.3 G as minimal for humans?

[smjjames]

This sounds like fun.

Is there a way to lower atmospheric pressure and is there a way to increase the base temperature of Titan or are you saying that we can't change the temperature on Titan?

I'm thinking maybe Titan.

Edit: Actually, considering Venus is hard mode, I'll stick with Titan if there is a way to bring the temperature up to minimum requirements for humans.

If there isn't a way to increase the temperature of titan up to minimum requirements, then I'll take Io.

[Tarran]

Why we need 0.4 G for life and only 0.3 G as minimal for humans?

I dunno. I used Aurora's NPR generation stuff. I guess you have to have a good gravity for life to develop, but since humans are developed they can go to lower gravities.

This sounds like fun.

Is there a way to lower atmospheric pressure and is there a way to increase the base temperature of Titan or are you saying that we can't change the temperature on Titan?

I'm thinking maybe Titan.

Max 3 players per round. So sorry, but you'll never touch sol.

You can't change the base temperature of titan, and the base temperatureX3 is less than the minimum for humans, so yeah.

[smjjames]

Dang, put me on the waiting list then. Oh yea, can I pick green for the player color now?

[Tarran]

Dang, put me on the waiting list then.

Also: do you want to pick your color?

[smjjames]

Heh, I edited my post right about when you posted. I'll pick green.