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[Criptfeind]

I think for the first one it will be two move per hex.

For the other I have no idea.

[evilcherry]

Q&A time.

Ohhh nice map man, are those things mines near my city?

Yes, or else you're under a serious handicap.

Just had a good look at the map...hoo boy

Cherry, got questions for you!

will we be able to terraform land with enough resources and/or magic?
How in depth is our politics going to be? Will we be able to trade Food/Resources/spells with other races?
Finally, you got any apocalypse spells in mind for the endgame? You know "stalemate breakers" 

Yes.
Food, Resources, and military units (surprise!) are tradable. Spells are normally not. I will not umpire your politics, but if you have an NAP or Alliance, please tell me, whether it is public or not.
These spells will sooner or later be there, but apocalypse units are also in consideration.

Questions:
How many spaces per points of movement can a flying unit move per move? 1:1?
What do City Walls actually do? Defense Towers?
How do we know how much food/resources a location provides?
Which hex is my capital? Either 56,50 or 57,49, but I cannot tell which.
Can land armies swim/use boats?
Is there a list of region names?

2 movement point per hex. The same for units that is magically made flying.
City walls make entering w/resistance harder (reduce attack, disallow charges). Towers acts as an extra unit which can only shoot ranged and defend melee.
I'll give you later this day, but likely somewhere similar to Civ.
Both. Cities does have a size, and they will grow in size to house the population (and allow for more building space)
They can use boats. The coastal human (r) cities have docks to build them. Of course, if you develop zeppelins (or anything similar), I see no reason to bar your army from riding on them.
There will NOT be a list of region names, initially. Players can name them as they see fit, and I'll try to reflect them on map updates. Current the large forest patch is named Evernight Forest, The eastern part of it is Dreamland, the land under the eastern volcano is Overheim proper, and the large swamp in the west is the Swamp of Wax.

Additional info:

You'll be able to build new buildings, as your city grow in size.
You can capture buildings. Buildings that your civ does not normally have may have a use, if you can convince me.
Humans(r) may mean anything. They could include Dwarven, Halfling, Elven allies or such; they may be woodsmen, unicorn riders or shadow priests. you will not know unless you come across them.

[Kashyyk]

What are the brown lines around Criptfeind's city? Are they farms? If so, how come no-one else has got any?

[Knight Otu]

From the look of his surroundings, he has them because he needs them to survive in the desert, similar to how Jesse has what appear to be ice fishers. Deserts probably aren't going to be very productive.

[evilcherry]

@Knight Otu, Kashyyk: Exactly. Just like if you start in a tundra in Civ, you'll be pretty much... behind.

[Jesse]

Yeah, maybe making a civilization that lives primarily in the arctic wasn't a good idea. 

[Criptfeind]

Both. Cities does have a size, and they will grow in size to house the population (and allow for more building space)

I think he meant where are what  building in the city, for example what tile has my assassin hall?

Yeah, maybe making a civilization that lives primarily in the arctic wasn't a good idea. 

Heh, it seems that EvilCherry gave us enough to start out okay but I think we will need to expand or upgrade quickly.

[evilcherry]

Players: This is pretty much the end of the pre-game, as rules are set and unit costs are rebalanced (for a bit, at least). I'll start a game thread, which will sport the updated rules, as well as the map. There will be a minor revision in city placement in the everglades and the tundra beyond.

The only thing remaining will be some turn and battle samples.

Finalizing rules...

Spoiler: Taking turns (click to show/hide)

The play will be in turns. According to the pace that I can write up things, There will be at least 1 turn/week.
Players can play their turn, which generally include resource creation/allocation and movement. RP is never mandatory, but pretty much encouraged.
Player can opt to store up their turns, up to at least 5. Storing will automatically occur when player does not play his turn when a new one is given. Using multiple turns at once means that the resources created will be the same as those turns taken separately (e.g. 5 turns worth of resources will be produced whether the 5 turns are played at once or separately). Movement will not be increased.
Player must use their turns all at once. You cannot have turns left when you decide to use a turn.
A turn takes effect as soon as it is posted. If a previous move has not been confirmed/resolved and it you think that your move is in conflict of it, refrain from doing it.

Combat moves are different, as they are done alternatively. There is no skipping, unless a player is too slow. They go on independent from game turns.

Spoiler: City (click to show/hide)

Every player will have control of one city of pop 6 at the start of the game. Each 4 population will require a city hex, so a city of pop 11 will occupy 3 hex. The population work the land in city influence (defined as the sum of the 18 tiles surrounding each city hex) with each providing food and resources. Each population unit need one food to survive. 5 Excess food can be converted into a population unit.
Alternatively, provided that you have the right resources and conditions, you can create improvements, buildings, or units. Each city hex can only hold 2 buildings, not including the city wall and a defense structure (e.g. guard tower), so you have to choose and specialize.
The city will fall once you exert control on every hex of it. Control means that you have already walked on it and have seen no resistance (i.e. not in the ZoC of the enemy). If you does not have control of a city hex, you will lose the benefit of the buildings on it.

The Guard tower will act as a defense unit. It can fire at anything in range, and it will fight back the best unit if engaged.
The City walls add 2 to defense to anything attacking from outside it. It has no effect for attacks from inside it.

Spoiler: land, movement costs and improvements (click to show/hide)

Terrain are as follows.
Plains: 2 food, 3 movement cost.
City: Automatically provide 1 food 1 resource, 3 movement cost.
Hills: 1 food 1 resource. 5 movement cost.
Forests: (Broadleaf and Conifer are for RP points only) 1 food 1 resource. 4 movement cost.
Wooded Forests: 1 food 1 resource. 6 movement cost.
(Wooded) Mountains: 1 resource. Cannot be Moved upon.
Swamps: 2 food, 6 movement cost.
Desert: 1 resource, 4 movement cost.
Water: 2 food. 3 movement cost (water units only).
River add 1 food to adjacent tiles.
Ice are resourceless, 4 movement cost.

Flying units treat all hex has a movement cost of 2.

Improvements:
Farms can only be built on plains and add 1 food. Cost 5 resource and can only be built in city influence.
Mines can only be built on hills or mountains and add 1 resource. Cost 5 resource and can only be built in city influence.
Roads can reduce the movement cost along the road to 2. Cost 3 resource and must connect to a city.
Fish produces 2 food.

Spoiler: Units, combat and movement rules (click to show/hide)

As advertised, units take up space, and they don't stack. The only exceptions are when they are created, and when they are on a transport(which it stacks on).

Unit descriptions are in the following format:
[A11/Light Spearmen/H3:3/R0:0/A2/D4/M8/S0:0/Ab:Anticav]
A11: Location.
Light Spearmen: Name. This is a unit of light spearmen.
H3:3 : Health. This unit needs 3 hits before it is eliminated. Health can be replenished in cities out of combat.
R0:0 : Ranged rating. The first digit is attack, and the second digit is range. Adjacent hex counts as 1.
A2: Attack Rating.
D4: Defense Rating.
When engaging, the general rule is to add a 1d6 to each of them. If Attack>Defense, it is a hit. If not it is a miss. Each hit deal exactly one damage, no more, no less, unless otherwise stated.
M8: Movement points. 8 movement points is equivalent to 4 road hexes. If there is not enough movement points to move into the final hex, the move is still carried using all movement points left.
S0:0 Spirit point. The first digit is the natural rating, including training. The second is after temporal modifiers and is the value used in combat. Units at -3 spirit will rout and flee to the safety of a city; they will surrender immediately if caught in melee, unless they are surrounded (and in this case they should be out of -3). This value will move towards the natural rating one step a (game) turn out of combat.


If engaged, units are assumed to be in melee. Units left at melee range at the end of a turn will fight automatically. If one unit is engaged with multiple units, it can only fight one.

If one unit eliminates another in melee, it will move into its position. If there is a conflict, Use the most recent order of movement.

Ranged units cannot use its ranged attack in melee, unless otherwise specified. Ranged attack must be specified in moves.

Unit block movement of each other.
Engagement of 2 units is counted as within the ZoC of each other.
One cannot directly transverse the ZoC (of 1 hex) of a hostile unit, but withdrawing and engaging from another direction is perfectly okay. One cannot, however, withdraw and engage again immediately at the same hex. It is permitted, however, to do so in a ABCBABC fashion. It is possible to do it for a multiple number of times in a move.
Withdrawing is defined as leaving the ZoC of another unit. Unless the other unit is otherwise still engaged by a unit for the duration of your move in some way, doing so will incur a loss of spirit.

Your leader is not a unit in the strict sense, as it does not block movement, or it will engage in combat if supported (although it can certainly cast fireballs flying around). If left alone, however, it is [XX/Leader_Name/H6:6/R0:0/A0/D2/M12/S-:-/Ab:Flying]. Your leader does not have spirit.

Spoiler: Spirit (click to show/hide)

Spirit is the most important modifier and deserves to have its section.

It adds to both attack and defense. Only negative spirit has effect for ranged attacks. All range of spirit has effect for melee attacks.

Temporal modifiers:
enemies slain (+1/unit slain).

supported on both sides (+1).
exposed (-1).
Supported means when a unit is engaged, there is 1 unit within 120 degrees on each side of the opponent.
Exposed means there is no unit within 120 degrees of the engaged opponent.
Units not in melee cannot be supported or exposed.

Surrounded (+2). A surrounded unit means it cannot move.
Losing 1/3 of units in a battle, in unit terms will lead to -1 spirit.

Spoiler: trading and diplomacy (click to show/hide)

I do not intend to umpire your trading; trade is simply conducted by both sides sending me a PM or posting on the thread, with one side making a proposal, and the other side accepting it.
However, if 2 civilizations intend to trade food and resources, there must be some road between them (p.s. resources are otherwise civ-wide).
Units and cities can be traded; the only thing that need to be specified will be the hex.
Trading a unit on a transport does not change ownership of the transport, and vice versa.
Unless you explicitly state that your army will not engage such state's, I'll create a battle for you.

[Jesse]

Sounds great, let's start. 

[ExKirby]

Let's go!

[evilcherry]

Revision notes (26/5):

-Updated abilities list.
-walk nerfed. Now it only removes the said component for movement. A forestwalk unit on forested hills treat it as hills for movement.
-Changed a bug for terrain modifiers. Now terrain should provide the right defense bonuses. (+1 def for Forest, +1 def for hills)
-Rebalanced units.
-Dripmurk alliance changed to Underhorde.
-Strum und Drang buffed a little.
-Now only units that can land (i.e. not Natural flying) can capture a city.
-Hero rules now has its own section.
-Underwater slightly nerfed (to match walks).
-Added Crit hits and Crit misses.
-Added tundra; nerfed ice.

Game thread is now here.

[evilcherry]

Hotfix:

Units and terrain improvements are built at the end of a turn.
Summoned units can move and attack as soon as they are summoned.

[Criptfeind]

So does food and resources left over from one turn to the other stay? Also if I have stacked turns (Like now) and make a pop unit one turn can we use that for the next turn?
Is this an acceptable sample turn? Other than the fact that I need five of them?
Cities give: 4 food 2 resources.
Four farms give: 16 food.
Two mines give: 2 food 4 resources.
That is 22 food 6 resources.
6 for pop so 16 make 3 pop
Store 1 food 4 resources

[evilcherry]

So does food and resources left over from one turn to the other stay? Also if I have stacked turns (Like now) and make a pop unit one turn can we use that for the next turn?
Is this an acceptable sample turn? Other than the fact that I need five of them?
Cities give: 4 food 2 resources.
Four farms give: 16 food.
Two mines give: 2 food 4 resources.
That is 22 food 6 resources.
6 for pop so 16 make 3 pop
Store 1 food 4 resources

1. Resources does left over.
2. Stacked turns are, essentially, giving you resources of those stacked turns. Treat it as one uberturn; you cannot say, use 2, wait for the results, and use 3 others. You have to use them ALL AT ONCE.

[Nirur Torir]

What requires labor, other then working terrain for resources?