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[Akura]

Wait. Isn't it the Efreet that casts Wish(at your command)? Wouldn't they be taking an EXP hit?

[Pandarsenic]

It would, save for that its Wishgranting is a Spell-like ability instead of an actual spell.

[Neonivek]

Except that Efreet's don't have EXP to spend.

So in essence their Wish spell would fail.

Though few DMs actually follow the rules for wishes.

[beorn080]

To expand on Panda's explanation, Spell Like abilities have no material, verbal, or somnantic components, and no xp costs or focuses either. There is cheese to get any spell or ability as a spell like. That means you can get any spell free.

[Pandarsenic]

Except that Efreet's don't have EXP to spend.

So in essence their Wish spell would fail.

Though few DMs actually follow the rules for wishes.

Irrelevant. It's a spell-like ability, thus that EXP cost does not exist.

[beorn080]

Listen, I said it was HORRIBLE cheesy cheese. The only thing more cheesy is Pun Pun brand cheddar. Kobold becomes a god at level 4 I think they got it down to? The only good thing about Pun Pun brand cheddar is that it requires serious rules knowledge about what can and can't be done. Candle of Invocations are a bit simpler.

[Zaranthan]

Honestly, does anyone ever actually do these stupid things or do people just perpetually wank about them on the WotC forums?

If by "wank about them" you mean "notice a loophole in the rules on some idle Tuesday when going over the campaign notes from last week," then yeah, sure. Of course nobody actually tries this crap in a real game! It's just amusing to discover where an otherwise finely-crafted game system has a crack in it, and subsequently figure out something cool that you could do with that crack were it a hard-written law of reality. This is ROLEPLAYING, after all. If you could pull crazy crap like this in Real Life, PEOPLE WOULD DO IT. Somebody once figured out if you get a certain metal really hot, it melts on an imperceptible level and produces more energy than anyone knows what to do with. In a game, this would be cheesy. In reality, this is done every day around the world.

[Grakelin]

Guys, let's stay on topic. The topic is supplying an army by extracting small bits of iron from sand.

[Dyjeccu]

ridiculous forging methods .. High carbon and silicon content ..

Also the party needs to secure a controllable heat source they can accurately range between 831 and 1385 °C for an extended period.. just say'n.

[Neonivek]

It is more then possible for them to create new spells and divine spells that could help extract metal from the soil

[Pnx]

I would like to point towards this link: http://nuklearpedia.com/doku.php?id=twinkin_out_25_pixelated_eyes_nonexistant_mouths
Which is a copy of one of red mage's columns from 8-bit theatre, specifically the first question/response:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So it strikes me that there are quite a few Black Belt fans out there. It also strikes me that a great many of you think the monk is a worthless class in 3rd edition D&D. I present to you a formula (thoroughly researched ) to make your monk completely bad-ass to the extreme max.

[formula lost to the mists of time, but basically it's about how far a monk can run with a bunch of buffs and stuff in order to make a flying kick (which can be made as long as a monk can run)]

If you follow this formula, your monk will be able charge from 320 feet away, and deliver a flying kick which will do 2d12 + 40 points of damage and leave the target stunned for one round, and nauseated and unable to move for the next. I’m assuming your monk is 15th level. It’s not impossible to make this work at lower levels, you probably just won’t have the same range or damage. It’ll still be impressive though.

Spells needed: Cast Divine Wisdom, empowered, at the beginning of the day. This will give 6 points of Wisdom. DW is from Relics and Rituals; the spell is not necessary, but very useful, since WIS adds to both stun DC and the monk's AC.

Essential items: Potions of True Strike Monk's Belt (for Haste) Sandals of the Tiger (from S&F) with layered Boots of Striding and Springing. (This second power will cost you double because it is added to a slotted item (see the DMG), but since the power costs all of 1000 gp for a mage to create, you'll end up striding for 2000 gp. The best deal in the game). Ki Straps (from Sword and Fist)

Feats required: Pain Touch Power Attack

This is how it all breaks down:

Round 1: The monk hastes himself (monk's belt) Round 1 partial: The monk drinks a potion of true strike.

Round 2: The monk launches a 320 foot flying kick. Her base move is 80; the striding makes it 160. Doubled (for a charge), this is 320. The flying kick (based on the Sandals) does double damage, so 1d12 + 10-15 (power attack) + 5 (strength bonus) * 2 = 2d12 + 40.

But the real fun is in the stun. Save DC is 10 + half monk's level ( 7 or 8 ) + wisdom bonus (5 at least, see Divine Wisdom), + 5 (Ki straps). Our monk, who started with an 18 wisdom (raised to 24 by the DW), delivers a stun with a DC of 10 + 8 + 7 (wis) + 5 = 30.

When they're stunned, they're out of combat for 2 rounds, because of the pain touch feat. What's great about this tactic is that you can basically do it once every round, since your save DC is 30 for the stuns. The extra damage and distance for the charge is neat, but what really hurts is having a monk keep half of the opposition stunned / nauseated during a fight.

Also note that anyone who fails that 30 DC save is vulnerable to sneak attack damage from rogues. Have your rogue delay until just after the monk goes for maximum Destroying the DM’s Campaign Effect.

There's some other great examples of ridiculous rule bending in the rm articles.


(Off topic FTW!)

[beorn080]

That's actually a fairly basic method for making monks effective. They look REALLY good on paper, but the abilities just don't work out as well as they should. I think the best monk I've seen was one who used Leap Attack to hit every foe in a 120 ft line with a full attack.