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[Bronzebeard]

I came upon a goblin tower filled with humans and no goblins, although they all had goblish names (Ngoxo, Bosa and what have you). I found a temple adjacent to the tower filled with human priests worshiping a deity of loyalty and marriage. Strange, I thought, since I imagined that the gods of goblins or any humans they have under their sway would symbolize something more evil. Stranger still, it was here I found the one and only goblin, who looked like a priest -- in a purple robe with a staff -- who appeared as "[name name], the [something of something], first consideration" near what appeared to be a deity (that I couldn't actually see because he was standing over it). The latter title intrigued me. I later killed him, and it turns out that Legends said he was over 1,000 years old, born in 42 and put to his end by me in 1066...

So what is a "first consideration"? Do deities pick goblins or humans to be these "considerations" and grant them immortality?

[Haspen]

Erm, no. Goblins are immortal by default.

And 'name name, name-name of name the name' is granted when you kill at least 5 creatures.

[Bronzebeard]

Really? All goblins are immortal? That doesn't seem right. In any case:

And 'name name, name-name of name the name' is granted when you kill at least 5 creatures.

What intrigued me was "first consideration", which came after it. I realize the format of fancy titles, but I've never seen the latter before.

[Haspen]

Really? All goblins are immortal? That doesn't seem right.

Forgot to add that elves are immortal as well.

[Bronzebeard]

Forgot to add that elves are immortal as well.

Knew that bit. Elven immortality is fine, and somewhat common throughout fantasy. Goblins rather seem like such lowly creatures, though; why would they be immortal?

Eh. *Shrugs.*

[Robocorn]

First consideration is a religious title of the high priest of a religion with a god of loyalty.

I can't tell you how many Sacred Funerals or Holy Bones or Divine Caskets I've killed in places worshiping gods of Death.

[Bronzebeard]

First consideration is a religious title of the high priest of a religion with a god of loyalty.

I can't tell you how many Sacred Funerals or Holy Bones or Divine Caskets I've killed in places worshiping gods of Death.

Aye. I'm beginning to think it was just a random classification of priest to that deity; I'm now looking at a human that seems to be two entities:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The cursor is situated on the one north of me. Perhaps "holy right" is the same thing as "first consideration", yet a different wording. I guess these serve as physical proxies to their respective deities? Don't know why the deity would otherwise follow them on the same tile constantly.

EDIT: Scratch that. Gognav seems to be everywhere now... on every single tile -- I'm guessing because I joined said religion. How comforting.

[Rose]

Yeah, joining a religion let's you talk to god just about anywhere, at any time.

I have yet to see god reply.

[LordSlowpoke]

Yeah, joining a religion let's you talk to god just about anywhere, at any time.

I have yet to see god reply.

From what I reported, you need to send him a "message" at least two hundred thousand times.
That means - open up the chat window and hold the enter key down with something heavy. Leave for a few hours. Come back and check if it works already.

[CrossBolt]

Yeah, joining a religion let's you talk to god just about anywhere, at any time.

I have yet to see god reply.

From what I reported, you need to send him a "message" at least two hundred thousand times.
That means - open up the chat window and hold the enter key down with something heavy. Leave for a few hours. Come back and check if it works already.

Sounds like one of those things people invent to annoy other people

[Kobold Troubadour]

Sounds like one of those things people invent to annoy other people

How......Elven?........or is it more Kobold-ish?

[Rex_Nex]

On the topic of Goblin Immortality... is there a reason we assume goblins to be the same as what most modern fiction/media present?

In all honesty, goblins in my mind are just a cross between a human and a troll. And trolls are just a cross between a Ogre and a Dwarf. And Ogres are just a cross of dwarven cheese and horse tripe, of course.

[truckman1]

Forgot to add that elves are immortal as well.

......And so Armok created the Dwarven race in order to fix that problem

[denito]

I'm surprised no one has pointed out the obvious yet:  most likely goblins in DF are immortal because in the Tolkien fantasy world goblins were created from Elves.  (Selective breeding?  Genetic engineering?  I don't know.)  Anyhow since Elves are immortal, it's assumed so are goblins.  Although I can't remember whether Tolkien actually said whether goblins actually are ageless.  Presumable they lead such violent lives that they die in battle before old age becomes an issue.

I picture goblins not as troll like at all, but like stupider, fatter dark elves.

[Bronzebeard]

I'm surprised no one has pointed out the obvious yet:  most likely goblins in DF are immortal because in the Tolkien fantasy world goblins were created from Elves.  (Selective breeding?  Genetic engineering?  I don't know.)  Anyhow since Elves are immortal, it's assumed so are goblins.  Although I can't remember whether Tolkien actually said whether goblins actually are ageless.  Presumable they lead such violent lives that they die in battle before old age becomes an issue.

I picture goblins not as troll like at all, but like stupider, fatter dark elves.

No, no, no -- Trolls were created from elves. Well, they e/devolved from elves. Goblins merely came from Undermine, a mini-continent in the South Seas.

At least... in Warcraft. Whose lore I hold above Tolkien's to the death.