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Basic object-oriented programming

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Total Members Voted: 89

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They are undoubtedly correct in the notion that inner classes are "more object-oriented in line with their concept of object orientation" than delegates.

There is not really one, unifying "object orientation system". Java just implements one of the more popular paradigms, but for example Javascript handles inheritance via prototyping and some some languages (amongst which C# since version 4.0, see a pattern here?) use multimethods instead of or as a supplement to message passing.

Okay, sure, what I said is over-generalized. You add absolutely nothing to the conversation--which is very clearly about the standard encapsulation-polymorphism-and-inheritance model of object-oriented programming--but, yes, you nitpicked a minor generalization in a post that was actually talking about matters of weight. Good for you?

And so's we're clear, that "fixed that for you" strikeout shit is really tiresome. Write a response if you really have to show off how S-M-R-T you are, don't butcher quotes that you attribute to me.

This blog post feels real appropriate right now.

[Siquo]

I think that with "conversation" you mean "monologue", BE

IDE Question: I'm doubting whether I should switch from Code::Blocks to Eclipse for C++ editing, but I can't find a lot of stuff in Eclipse, and the help files aren't being helpful. Does anyone know how I can create a new toolchain, and specify specific locations for my toolchain? I've got multiple MinGW installations, and I want to be able to select one, instead of Eclipse picking one automatically.

I'm also still trying to find the locations to enter linking, include directories for source headers, and include directories for libraries. Right now it can't even find STL.

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Eclipse CDT is a piece of shit. As is C++, for that matter, but still. There are better choices. If you're on Windows it's something of a waste of time to use anything other than Visual Studio; the tools are top-notch and quite literally nobody comes close (Intel's compiler is better, but even they say "use Visual Studio." If you're on Linux you're better off with KDevelop. Netbeans's C++ support has gotten better over time, but it's still user-hostile.

[Siquo]

Is VS free (as in free beer) and can it use the GCC toolchain? Otherwise it's useless to me.

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VS Express is free, yes. Whether it can use GCC or not is immaterial (though it can when configured correctly), because if you're writing C++ correctly, the same code will build across any conformant C++ implementation. Both GCC and Microsoft's C++ compiler are conformant enough for anything you're likely to encounter. There is, however, no good reason to use GCC to compile code for Windows; it's poorly suited to the task in nearly any way you can name from binary format to shitty optimization. The overwhelming majority of tools that purport to work with GCC binaries (valgrind, etc.) either have no Windows port or are poorly maintained, whereas comparable tools in the Microsoft ecosystem are...well...competently maintained and actually do their job.

(Both GCC and MSC both fully pass Boost's tests, and if they pass Boost's tests, they'll work with anything else you'll throw at them.)

[Siquo]

There can't be "no good reason" if so many people do it. Your inability to give a balanced or nuanced answer makes your point unbelievable. Thank you for your time, your arguments are noted, but please don't bother.

To anyone else: Problem is, I'm writing something that should work both on linux and windows, and I'm too lazy to make my own makefiles or type in console compile commands. Code::Blocks handles all that perfectly, and I get to install and choose different compilers and linkers with the flick of a switch. Does Eclipse have that same functionality, and if so, where? Or is there another IDE that I actually should be using?

[Virex]

May I ask why you're trying to get rid of code::blocks?

They are undoubtedly correct in the notion that inner classes are "more object-oriented in line with their concept of object orientation" than delegates.

There is not really one, unifying "object orientation system". Java just implements one of the more popular paradigms, but for example Javascript handles inheritance via prototyping and some some languages (amongst which C# since version 4.0, see a pattern here?) use multimethods instead of or as a supplement to message passing.

Okay, sure, what I said is over-generalized. You add absolutely nothing to the conversation--which is very clearly about the standard encapsulation-polymorphism-and-inheritance model of object-oriented programming--but, yes, you nitpicked a minor generalization in a post that was actually talking about matters of weight. Good for you?

And so's we're clear, that "fixed that for you" strikeout shit is really tiresome. Write a response if you really have to show off how S-M-R-T you are, don't butcher quotes that you attribute to me.

This blog post feels real appropriate right now.

Well actually () a simple "please stop derailing this thread" would have sufficed, but point taken.

[Siquo]

Code::blocks feels somewhat more oriented towards smaller projects. I'm missing stuff like simple version control without having to setup a CVS/SVN (which I think eclipse has but don't know for sure), and the code completion/hints stuff from eclipse does more stuff, such as "I can't find this file you're trying to include" while typing and a few other stuff, where in CB I need to press "compile" first.

Also, I'm interested in the basic refactoring that Eclipse provides, although I'm aware that it's hard to actually refactor complex C++.

[Shades]

CDT's refactoring is poor to say the least and limited to function / class renaming. I believe there is code::blocks plugin that allows the same.

What kind of simple version control do you use, I was under the impression most of the vaguely modern version control systems had plugins that worked with code::blocks.

Eclipse/CDT code completion is far better than any of the code::blocks plugins I've used though (although it's been a while since I checked so there could be new ones) and probably worth the change over in itself.

At any rate you can setup eclipse with whatever tool chain you like, it's project options are extensive. You'll probably have to setup it up by having multiple project profiles rather than the default debug/release ones, as far as I recall you can tie in the tools there.

[Siquo]

Thanks, I'll try that. If I don't succeed, I'll look into plugins for C::B.

I really hate shopping for plugins, though. It's like buying shoes, you have to make an effort to try a few until you find something that fits.

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There can't be "no good reason" if so many people do it. Your inability to give a balanced or nuanced answer makes your point unbelievable. Thank you for your time, your arguments are noted, but please don't bother.

I'll bother, thanks, because insisting on doing things for silly reasons is kind of annoying. Also, because people might be deluded into thinking you know what you're doing and mimic you without knowing any better.

- "They don't know any better" is not a good reason.

- "It's Micro$oft, and I can't use their stuff even though I am using their operating system" is disgustingly common (not necessarily you, mind, but very common) and not a good reason.

- "They don't want to learn anything different from their current workflow" either.

- "They wrote shitty code that isn't standard and can't compile without GCC extensions" doesn't fly either. (Relying on non-standard extensions is in general a bad idea, because there's no guarantee they actually keep existing.)

- "They use it for compiler services and want to self-bootstrap" is not the worst answer in the world, but a creeping horror like that, written in C++, is a red flag to begin with.



If you want to say "there must be a good reason if so many people use it"...maybe you should find one of them and actually spur some discussion along. I have extreme doubts that you can, because I'd bet real money that such a reason does not exist, but hey, maybe we'll all learn something.

(And, no, not "so many" people use it. Hobbyists might--some of them--but when you look at people who go "hey, choosing a dumb toolchain will lose us money," they don't flock to GCC. Almost without exception they use MSVC. Maybe they--and, y'know, I--know something here, huh?)

[Farseer]

After reading the last page, I think this thread should probably be remade over and a specific rule on no arguments made. :p

Anyway, I'm writing in Python and I'm having trouble with trying to make a function end the program. I've just started, so don't hurt me.

Spoiler: The Function (click to show/hide)

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def endgame():
    prologueloop1 = 0
    prologueloop2 = 0
    prologueloop3 = 0
    endloop = 0
    room1loop = 0

I'm using loops and coding a shitty text-based adventure game because I don't know any better. :p

Spoiler: Where I Want It (click to show/hide)

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    prologuecont1 = continuestory()
    if prologuecont1 == 1:
        prologueloop1 = 0
    elif prologuecont1 == 0:
        endgame()
    elif prologuecont1 > 1:
        prologueloop1 = 1

This, however, does work:-

Spoiler: Working (click to show/hide)

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       prologuecont1 = continuestory()
    if prologuecont1 == 1:
        prologueloop1 = 0
    elif prologuecont1 == 0:
        prologueloop1 = 0
        prologueloop2 = 0
        prologueloop3 = 0
        endloop = 0
        room1loop = 0
    elif prologuecont1 > 1:
        prologueloop1 = 1

Spoiler: Continue Story Function (click to show/hide)

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def continuestory():
    return input("Press 1 to continue, press 0 to quit or press any other number to replay.")

When I try to run the "endgame()" function it just reloops the paragraph of the story. I just want to clean up my code and start doing functions effectively.

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After reading the last page, I think this thread should probably be remade over and a specific rule on no arguments made. :p

Then it might as well not exist--what with the whole discussion part of "discussion forum."

Anyway, I'm writing in Python and I'm having trouble with trying to make a function end the program. I've just started, so don't hurt me.

Do you have any code that actually needs to do clean-up work? If not, a sys.exit(0) in your endgame function will achieve your goal. Waiting for the game loop to bounce out gracefully is not necessarily the best design paradigm; it's workable but quitting out of a game is such a hugely out-of-band case that I might just do the cleanup in the endgame() call and then exit the program directly.

I'd need to see a complete code listing to tell you more about your specific code situation.

[Farseer]

Do you have any code that actually needs to do clean-up work? If not, a sys.exit(0) call will achieve your goal. I'd need to see a complete code listing to tell you more about your specific code situation.

Thank god there's a command that does that. Thanks, man.

Then it might as well not exist--what with the whole discussion forum thing, no?

There's a difference between a discussion and a full fledged angry argument (yes, presenting your argument is part of a discussion, but you know what I mean, don't try to out pun me man!),  and this thread definitely has a foot in angry.

[lordnincompoop]

Currently, I've split my project into multiple files each containing a certain thing, such as one set for item implementations and another for rooms. I'm finding this easier to maintain because of the length of files involved, but at the same time I sometimes run into strange errors to do with it, and I'm worried the web'll just start tangling up into a mess after a while.

Should I keep on with the multi-file style, or should I start merging everything into fewer, longer files? What advantages/disadvantages lie in each?