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[Darkmere]

Yeah I get the fresh start impression reading over the changelogs. I can't say I blame them, it must have been a huge mess with all the CALIBR stuff and gunfappers (no offense to any RL weapons aficionados, I just never saw the point in getting bent out of shape over realism in a game about ghouls, mutants and nuclear aftermath).

Still, I do appreciate FOOK's compilation of bugfixes and minor tweaks, if nothing else. Maybe it'll make loadorders less troublesome to change this time around.

[dragonshardz]

RE: nVamp:

Definitely stay away from it. It's outdated and will probably crash your game. I learned this the hard way.

[Darkmere]

RE: nVamp:

Definitely stay away from it. It's outdated and will probably crash your game. I learned this the hard way.

Yeah I looked up what it was out of curiosity. I can't find anything about NVamp itself, except that it requires "core files" that are a bunch of other mods. Is this just a FOMM merged patch? It's also recommended to make a Bash patch for it... which I could do myself.

So this thing went out of date because someone can't use FOMM to make a current merged patch for all these random mods?

Side-note, the original NVamp creator apparently is developing some RPG, that's almost ready for release in October. Their forums have... a collection of concept art. Link for curiosity's sake here.

[Darkmere]

Well, at the risk of double-post necroing myself...

Just finished playing through all the DLC's. Lonesome road wasn't what I expected, at all, but after the slow-ish startup I found it satisfying, if for nothing else as a tie-in to the other 3. I won't post spoilers, yet, but I was wondering if anyone else had opinions.

[FunctionZero]

Wait, it's out already? Woo!

[Silfurdreki]

Well, at the risk of double-post necroing myself...

Just finished playing through all the DLC's. Lonesome road wasn't what I expected, at all, but after the slow-ish startup I found it satisfying, if for nothing else as a tie-in to the other 3. I won't post spoilers, yet, but I was wondering if anyone else had opinions.

Spoiler: Lonesome Road ending spoilers, ho! (click to show/hide)

Was it just me, or did the very weaksauce nukes that you're constantly setting off make the ending rain-nuclear-fire-on-NCR/legion bit a tad anticlimactic? I mean that missile you so epicly send off has one of those warheads on it. Sure, you might be sending a hundred of those missiles, but you're still not going to destroy destroy more than a small village or so. I understand the gameplay/story segregation, but I still think they should have made the undetonated warhead conventional ones instead of nuclear, it would make it quite a bit less jarring.

Other than that, I enjoyed the DLC quite a bit, especially that

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

you got some pretty nice backstory for ED-E.

[Darkmere]

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I took it that the exposed ones outside had been damaged and leaking, but that doesn't excuse the 5 or 6 in Ulysses' temple that weren't exposed to anything. *shrug* Ulysses does mention that he's more interested in cutting off supply routes than outright destruction and apparently if you fire the nukes off (I didn't, I talked everyone down) it is highly radioactive.

Agreed about ED-E, I was pretty pissed when he was "stolen."

Unrelated: These level cap increases are overboard, I'm running out of meaningful places to put skill points and I'm not even 40 yet. jeez...

[Bdthemag]

I liked the DLC, but I think the ending was a bit lacking. Atleast how I played it out.

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I talked my way out of it, expecting some awesome bonus or something like that. But really all I got to do was disable the missle and get BoS and Followers of the Apocalypse rep. It was a bit dissapointing, because nothing really happens to Ulysses besides him walking off into the sunset. Otherwise it was pretty good, and I think Obsidian did an excellent job on the DLC. Now if only the other DLC's were like Lonesome Road.

[Doomchild-]

finished it in about 6 hours while trying to explore everything.

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I'm using a mod to play past the main quest which seems to conflict with this dlc, eventhough i did the 'no gods, no masters' quest and claimed vegas for myself, Ulysses kept going on about me siding with House (which is funny since the House route is the only one i havent done yet...) and the courier duster at the end had the old world american flag on it (same as Ulysses, so i pretty much got that duster twice) instead of the black spade with the number 21 in it. besides that i found it rather enjoyable and challenging enough (at lvl 47 in light armor i got 2-shotted by most tunnelers >.< though a nice stack of 20 satchel charges made short work of Rawr the deathclaw) if you let Ulysses live you can find him just inside the dlc area overlooking hopeville, he'll give you the bitterdrink recipe and some random stuff he finds.
also, having to choose between ED-E or nuking the NCR/Legion? that's a no-brainer. I was never a big fan of ED-E but this dlc changed my opinion. might even be persuaded to do a whole new playthrough with the little robot.

[Bdthemag]

Well I reloaded a previous save from LR...
[spoiler]
I decided to just kill Ulysses and launch the nukes at both sides. But afterwards I felt kind of bad for killing hundreds of fake soldiers. I can never be the bad guy in a video game :/

[Darkmere]

Might wanna glance at that spoiler tag again

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I am surprised that the diplomatic option doesn't get you much. The others open up new areas, but talking it out and cancelling the launch gets you a big nada...

[MorleyDev]

I think in Fallout's backstory the nukes developed are incredibly 'dirty', lots of radiation but a relatively small explosion compared to real life modern nukes which tend towards large explosion and reduced fallout (of course they're still friggin' nukes, so it's a lot of radiation. But relatively speaking...). Which explains why the actual devastation at the ground zeros you see always seem so lacklustre in the games xD

Also lol planet of the apes ending xD

[Vherid]

I think in Fallout's backstory the nukes developed are incredibly 'dirty', lots of radiation but a relatively small explosion compared to real life modern nukes which tend towards large explosion and reduced fallout (of course they're still friggin' nukes, so it's a lot of radiation. But relatively speaking...). Which explains why the actual devastation at the ground zeros you see always seem so lacklustre in the games xD

Also lol planet of the apes ending xD

Actually, We tend to stick to lots of smaller warheads as well now. I read this science article a while ago about nukes and such, so I don't remember entirely how it all works, but it was all about the energy dispersal of nukes. You have your dirty bombs which are yes just small explosives compared to actual warheads, so that they disperse a lot of radiation. This is how our current strategy works though in a way. Instead of everyone building a bunch of Tsar Bombas, 50mt nuclear monstrosities, which of course hey I got a hundred of these who wants to fuck with me. The reason everyone has all of these minutemen style nukes now is the idea is to use A LOT of smaller warhead nukes, instead of one BIG nuke. The way it works is, the more energy used on the explosion, the less radiation there is going to be. The smaller the explosion, the more radiation. I don't remember the math behind it, and don't remember the exact way it worked and such, but that's simply how it works.

[Sergius]

The amount of fallout is more related to whether the nuke explodes hitting the ground or up in the air. Needless to say, WW2-style free fall bombs don't detonate until they hit the ground, so they kick up a lot of radioactive dust. Modern missiles are programmed to detonate much earlier.

[MorleyDev]

Actually they explode shortly before they hit. The Little Boy (Hiroshima) exploded at an altitude of 1968 feet (~600 meters) and the Fat Man (Nagasaki) at 1650 feet (~500 meters). Though for a 4 mile blast radius it's still gonna kick up and irradiate a lot of dust xD

From what I've read, it's that the way they worked was just plain inefficient compared to the modern methods.

As an aside, I think one scientist once dared to argue (translation: got fired for suggesting it) that since as the explosive damage goes up with modern nukes, the relative amounts of long-term fallout goes down (basically it doesn't climb at the same rate), so we actually tend to greatly over estimate the potential to wipe out all life on the planet with our current nuclear arsenal. We could pretty much wipe out civilisation and knock mankind back a few thousand years minimum sure, drastically alter the surface of the planet permanently and reduce the life expectancy of every individual on the planet to their mid twenties, but enough of us could still survive for the human race to endure long-term. Personally I'm not wanting to find out if his theory is right or not but it's an interesting idea ^^