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[Jackrabbit]

Yeah, FO2 was ludicrously over the top Fallout gore, same as always. It's not like you can't pick up half a person's brain and wave it about in FO3.

I'm just saying that if i shot them in the arm and their arm kinda went back every time you shot them it'd be easy because they couldn't aim at you. If more realistic death shots are what you're after then i'm going to chase you with a pitchfork because I LOVE THEM XD

Yeah, I do agree with you. What I'm looking for is death ragdolls that look relatively realistic and also cool. Like I said, minimalist is not the same as bad and someone being spun around following a death blow to the shoulder (but not being sent flying) would be awesome.

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[Grakelin]

The answer to your question is that Fallout 3 did a poor job in creating an interesting, believable setting (Bethesda has never been good at it, despite what they claim), and so it's just a bunch of static people hanging out in static villages with no backstory beyond "we stole this boat, dawg". If you play Fallout 1 and 2, the towns typically have some sort of history to them, and even industry (though, this has no actual effect on gameplay mechanics. You sometimes get quests in this general direction). One particular nation of note is Shady Sands, which evolves from a tiny village in Fallout 1 to a large country called 'New California Republic' in Fallout 2.

The Enclave are also genocidal maniacs. Their anti-mutant virus kills anybody whose genes have been growing in the Wasteland (or something like that). That means that only purebred Enclave members and Vault Dwellers in sealed vaults will actually survive. Every bad guy in Fallout seems to want to build the master race.

Don't worry, you missed very little of Fallout's setting details in Fallout 3.

[cowofdoom78963]

I thought fallout 3's story wasn't so bad, but then again Im not very picky. I know I was no huge fan of FO2. As far as balance goes... It wasn't very good.

[Dakorma]

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A question,though.Why are the enclave considered universal bad guys? in canon,yes,they apparently started the nuclear war that,by all means,sounded like it was going to happen with or without their help.
Yeah,there generally assholes,and they do some sadistic experiments.They follow a computer with badly thought out plans.But their some of the only people i see in game actually doing something that will benefit humanity in the long run.

Most everyone else seems to just mooch off of 200 hundred year old tech and power and food.When that's gone,then what.
The guys in that Pittsburgh place were the only ones i saw producing something
And making a society.Yeah,they used slaves,and made some poor choices of  guards.But they made progress none the less.

Basically,starting up the government and a true society,even if the government is fairly corrupted and has a robot as a leader,seems preferable in the long run than just being some tribal scavengers for another hundred years.
After some semblance of order is restored,then you can worry about who's the bad guy,and proceed in solving that problem.
Killing millions to save billions,and such.

keep in mind i have limited knowledge of this fallout universe,and it's highly likely i missed something that resolves said question.I don't really have thoughts either way about it,Just something that was nagging at me since i finished it.

See the Enclave aren't even supposed to be around by Fallout 3 you were supposed to have wiped them out in FO2.

 As to making society and having production capabilities, you had NCR in fallout 2 who were doing just that, you also had the tribal's who were making their own culture. About the only people who were mooching off the past were the BoS who were out to grab all the old tech to keep it out of the wrong hands. And even they had a society of their own.

Course Beth basically said "Fuck that noise!" and made BoS generic space knights, got rid of the tribal's, left the enclave still around despite the fact that you wiped out what was supposed to be the only area they inhabited and killed their high command, and made the world not be nearly completely leveled so you would have to make your own stuff rather than mooching off the past. For example, in FO 1 and 2 you had mines and not in the explosives sense. In fallout 3 you have scavengers.

[Grakelin]

Would have been a decent story if it hadn't been Fallout.

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[Grakelin]

Everybody in the Enclave is descended from people who were in the Enclave at nukefall.

It's presumed they have a bunch of civilians off somewhere. On an oil rig that was destroyed, along with the living President of the United States in Fallout 2.

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[Grakelin]

There's a mod that lets you choose new starting points. You can be everything from a random scavenger to an escaped Enclave soldier. I forget the name of it. FalloutNexus or the other people here might be able to enlighten.

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[Tilla]

There's a mod that lets you choose new starting points. You can be everything from a random scavenger to an escaped Enclave soldier. I forget the name of it. FalloutNexus or the other people here might be able to enlighten.

That would be the Alternate Start, which is included in the massive Wanderer's Edition.

[Grakelin]

(ever since you adopted the Dos equis guy as your avatar,i envision all your serious posts in his voice.Whatever happened to those commercials,they were the best.)

They're still on! I only found out recently that it's been on for two years or so. First time I saw it was in April of this year. Best commercials ever.

[Jackrabbit]

God, I really, really enjoyed Fallout 3, but man do I wish the setting was even remotely like the east coast Fallout of the previous games. No mines? No tentative, ramshackle infrastructure? Nobody forming any sort of successful or even remotely widespread government ala the NCR in 200 years? The dev team was large enough to found a small country and yet nobody was working on that?

[Acanthus117]

Yeah, I wish that there was stuff like the NCR in Fallout 3. But that's what mods are for!